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To: Forest Keeper
I don't wonder at all since that never happened. That is historical revisionism. For God there is no dead-end mission. Everything accomplishes its purpose. Since the lost sheep of Israel included some Gentiles, there was no dead-end

He picked 12 as judges of the 12 tribes of Israel in the restored kingdom (cf Revelation).

He sent them specifically to the lost sheep of Israel, specifically FORBADE them to go to Samaritans and Gentiles, and he specifically states that he was sent ONLY for the lost sheep of Israel. He never, ever commanded them to go to the Gentiles, nor did he ever himself go to them. In his mercy, he helped those who came to him, even if they were Gentiles.

You keep repeating ad nauseum that his mission included "some" Gentiles but cannot for the life of you come up with a single verse quoting him as saying that.

Oh no, not at all. "God-breathed" is from God's breath

That is a latter-day Protestant innovation. God's breath is power that animates. In the OT, the Spirit of God is equivalent to the Power of God. Power to move. The ancients knew that dead people don't breathe and they associated bretah with some sort of a "spirit" living inside them, i.e. life itself. So, in that context, God-inspired means "brought to life by God," initiated by God, moved by God to happen.

God breathed life into Adam

And that's what it means! God brought, moved, "infused" him to life, to existence ("and he became man"). It doens't mean Adam was made free from error, potential or otehrwise.

God-inspired means God moved the authors to write and bring scripture to existence. Without God as a concept in our imagination, there would be no scriptures. It does not say the scriptures are free from potential error, FK.

3,996 posted on 03/14/2008 5:39:52 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; MarkBsnr; irishtenor; Mad Dawg
He picked 12 as judges of the 12 tribes of Israel in the restored kingdom (cf Revelation).

What, the same Revelation that you have all but denied as being real scripture? You can't have it both ways. :) For those of us who accept the Book of Revelation we recognize the symbolism and correspondence of the 12 judges and 12 tribes, but that does not translate into a view that Gentiles are shut out. That would be forced, ridiculous, and totally unnecessary. The totality of scripture takes care of all of your objections.

He sent them specifically to the lost sheep of Israel, specifically FORBADE them to go to Samaritans and Gentiles, and he specifically states that he was sent ONLY for the lost sheep of Israel. He never, ever commanded them to go to the Gentiles, nor did he ever himself go to them.

You and I have a fundamental difference on who "Israel" is, and what Jesus did. I think God was right when He spoke through Paul.

You keep repeating ad nauseum that his mission included "some" Gentiles but cannot for the life of you come up with a single verse quoting him as saying that.

You deny all (or most of) the verses in which Jesus talks about saving His elect. We have showed you many times.

FK: Oh no, not at all. "God-breathed" is from God's breath.

That is a latter-day Protestant innovation.

NO, that is CURRENT day Catechism. Before you even have a hint of getting to me, you must first rip through your Latin brethren. :)

God's breath is power that animates.

Sure, the Bible animates people every day.

In the OT, the Spirit of God is equivalent to the Power of God.

No, you appear to be attempting to depersonalize God. The Spirit of God is distinct.

FK: "God breathed life into Adam."

And that's what it means! God brought, moved, "infused" him to life, to existence ("and he became man"). It doesn't mean Adam was made free from error, potential or otherwise.

You must be kidding. You can't compare God's creation of us to His revelation of Himself to us in scripture. That's ridiculous. God breathed life into an Adam who turned out to be flawed, but that has nothing to do with whether He left us a reliable written word or not.

God-inspired means God moved the authors to write and bring scripture to existence. Without God as a concept in our imagination, there would be no scriptures. It does not say the scriptures are free from potential error, FK.

"God as a concept in our imagination". I am speechless.

4,292 posted on 03/19/2008 1:19:05 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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