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To: kosta50; Forest Keeper; blue-duncan; Dr. Eckleburg

***On what basis do you accept that the Bible is the word of God? On the basis of your faith that it is!***

No, I base it on the activity of the revealed triune God not the abstract god of the greeks. Because God revealed himself and those facts are known through Scripture I can trust his promises. The a priori lies only within the self-revealing God. Without the triune God as the starting point all other (natural) theologies must start with man and are nothing more than tail chasing.

***No, that’s only Church phobia that so many Protestants seem to suffer from. The Greek Church makes no such claims. However, the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church is the Church that defined Christain God as Divine Trinity, and Christ as one Person, in two natures.***

Ya, that’s an example of tail chasing.


3,877 posted on 03/10/2008 10:44:45 PM PDT by the_conscience ("You can't handle the facts of God" - the conscience)
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To: the_conscience; Forest Keeper; blue-duncan; Dr. Eckleburg
No, I base it on the activity of the revealed triune God not the abstract god of the greeks. Because God revealed himself and those facts are known through Scripture I can trust his promises

That is no different than saying they are "facts" revealed by the pink uniconrns on Jupiter because a books says so. Who are you kidding?

The a priori lies only within the self-revealing God

That's right, once you a priori accept that there is a God and that He "wrote" the Bible, the rest simply falls in place, by design.

Without the triune God as the starting point all other (natural) theologies must start with man and are nothing more than tail chasing

No, man is still the one who a priori accepts or rejects God. Those who accept God cannot prove it and those who reject Him ca not disprove it. The final arbiter is still man in his mind, no matter what the truth is. The difference is simply in the a priori rejection or acceptance.

If we assume that A is true, then we can draw corrollariess from that "truth." The initial presumption of veracity is a leap of (blind) faith, and becomes a starting point of any theology, within which all things are "true" as long as we stay with the a priori initial assumption.

Kosta: One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church is the Church that defined Christan God as Divine Trinity, and Christ as one Person, in two natures.***

TC: Ya, that’s an example of tail chasing.

That answer tells me that your beliefs are contrary not only to the Apostolic Church but to all mainline Protestant assemblies.

3,906 posted on 03/11/2008 7:17:18 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: the_conscience; kosta50; blue-duncan; Dr. Eckleburg
Kosta to TC: ***On what basis do you accept that the Bible is the word of God? On the basis of your faith that it is!***

TC: No, I base it on the activity of the revealed triune God not the abstract god of the greeks. Because God revealed himself and those facts are known through Scripture I can trust his promises. The a priori lies only within the self-revealing God. Without the triune God as the starting point all other (natural) theologies must start with man and are nothing more than tail chasing.(emphasis added)

Yes, that is EXACTLY why the Renaissance philosophers, along with today's practitioners of New Theology, are pulling their hair out. With an impersonal and irrational God, there can be NO answers to the most important questions of man. With man as a starting point there is only emptiness and frustration. But with our Triune God as a starting point man can be fulfilled, and he can have the answers to all the important questions. Man CAN know his place in the universe. Great post, TC. :)

4,077 posted on 03/15/2008 4:05:17 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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