[hosepipe]

[ I think if he really knew where the target was, he might not want to shoot at it so much. So I think time spent on establishing communication and common vocabulary is time not wasted. ]

I hear you.. Why cant we just get along?..
Because sheep in the sheep pen(s) are not sheep in the flock(John ch 10).. They hear different voices.. He that has ears to hear, let him hear what Popepipus says to the sheep pens..

[Quix]

Good points.

[Mad Dawg]

I hear you.. Why cant we just get along?..

If you think I'm pulling a Rodney King then I'm afraid you actually do not hear me.

What I said could be rephrased, "If he knew what we really teach about the Eucharist he might not be so very against it, certainly not in the same manner and with the same arguments as those being brought forward now."

I do think that there is very great good in working together to delineate precisely our differences and I think the normal atmosphere of debate and gotcha is strictly speaking vicious and also useless. This is not like a criminal matter in the respect that I don't think an adversarial approach will bring the truth to light, even the sort of second level truths that I'm talking about.

For one thing, an adversarial approach encourages NOT understanding what one's adversaries are saying but only looking for ways to twist it. I can't see any good coming out of that at all.