[Mad Dawg]

Would it be better if I had said, "Even if if we were wrong?"

It seems to me that dialog, rather than yelling at each other, requires the ability and willingness to stipulate, for the sake of understanding the argument, the the other guy might be right. I am grateful that I can present an example of "irresistible grace" which explains, maybe even better than some Protestants can explain it, how their doctrine is not necessarily like God turning the saved into little robots.

[stfassisi]

""it be better if I had said, “Even if if we were wrong?”

Dear Brother, when it comes to the Eucharist presence of our Lord we don't give the devil an inch by even suggesting we could be wrong.

The loss of faith in the Eucharist(and I am not saying you have) is the devil's greatest victory here on earth.

The devil and his minions know they cannot achieve victory over those who have the faith of the Saints in His Eucharistic presence

[Mad Dawg]

William the Conqueror won (I hear tell) by feigning retreat. Harold's army followed in disorder and was cut to pieces.

To yield is not always to yield, it may be simply to engage on more favorable ground.