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To: Forest Keeper; MarkBsnr; kosta50; hosepipe; betty boop; Quix; 1000 silverlings

“See the difference? satan left out “guard you in all your ways”. This is a relevant omission. “Christ’s ways” would be determined by God alone. They would not be the ways that satan was then suggesting. By leaving this part out, satan tried to make it look like God would protect Jesus no matter what He did. But that isn’t what the source passage says. Theoretically, had Jesus fallen for the temptation and jumped, then no one would have protected Him because jumping was not “Christ’s ways”, that would have been “satan’s ways”. Therefore, I would say that satan materially misquoted the scriptures here. But of course, our Lord Jesus would have none of it.”

Frankly, I think you are making more of the comment or reading more into it than it deserves. In any event, here is what +John Chrysostomos says in his Homily XIII on Matthew:

“But mark thou his (the Evil One’s) folly, even by the very testimony which he produced. For while the testimonies cited by the Lord were both of them spoken with exceeding fitness: his, on the other hand, were chance and random sayings, neither did he bring forward on his par that which applied to the matter in hand. For that it is written, “He shall give His angels charge concerning Thee,” this surely is not advice to dash and toss one’s self down headlong; and moreover, this was not so much as spoken concerning the Lord. However, this for the time He did not expose, although there was both insult in his manner of speech, and great inconsistency. For of God’s Son no man requires these things: but to cast one’s self down is the part of the devil, and of demons. Whereas God’s part is to raise up even them that are down. And if He ought to have displayed His own power, it would not have been by casting and tossing Himself down at random, but by saving others. But to cast ourselves down precipices, and into pits, pertains properly to his troop.”


3,678 posted on 03/08/2008 2:47:50 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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FK: satan left out “guard you in all your ways”. This is a relevant omission. “Christ’s ways” would be determined by God alone. They would not be the ways that satan was then suggesting. By leaving this part out, satan tried to make it look like God would protect Jesus no matter what He did. But that isn’t what the source passage says. Theoretically, had Jesus fallen for the temptation and jumped, then no one would have protected Him because jumping was not “Christ’s ways”, that would have been “satan’s ways”.

Frankly, I think you are making more of the comment or reading more into it than it deserves. In any event, here is what +John Chrysostomos says in his Homily XIII on Matthew:

........... For that it is written, “He shall give His angels charge concerning Thee,” this surely is not advice to dash and toss one’s self down headlong; and moreover, this was not so much as spoken concerning the Lord. However, this for the time He did not expose, although there was both insult in his manner of speech, and great inconsistency. For of God’s Son no man requires these things: but to cast one’s self down is the part of the devil, and of demons. Whereas God’s part is to raise up even them that are down. And if He ought to have displayed His own power, it would not have been by casting and tossing Himself down at random, but by saving others. ........

Well, it looks like Chrysostomos is at least hinting at what I am saying. Casting Himself down would not have been a thing for Christ to do, not "His ways". Christ's ways were other ways. We know that the Father of Lies mixes in some truth with his lies, so why would we think that he would quote scripture fully and accurately? Further, what do you say was the crux of the temptation? I say it was satan using scripture to show Jesus that He could do ANYTHING and the angels would protect Him. That is a lie.

3,972 posted on 03/13/2008 3:26:09 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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