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To: Forest Keeper

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So what you're telling me is that I am not welcome to partake of your Eucharist, but a lying, cheating, murdering, raping, unrepentant Roman Catholic is perfectly welcome to and it is proper for him to receive it?

Yeah, pretty much. What can I say? It's your haircut, man ... Get a new do and we'll talk it over.

NO as a matter of fact you aren't welcome to ambulate in of a Sunday and present yourself, mouth open, like unto a little bird in the nest, you anabapdiss (or whatever you are), you.

But, wait! There's an escape clause. If you're in extremis and we have no reason NOT to believe that you've been baptized with water in the name of the Trinity, open wide, soldier, 'cause here He comes. There might be a, "Yo, Lissen up: Are you sorry for every bad thing you ever did?" first if you looked like you were going to stay alive long enough to engage in that dialogue. (A nod or grunt or sign which could be interpreted as an "uh-huh," would be all you'd have to say. Think you can remember that? Repeat after me: "unnngh." Good!)

section that got left out, sort of ...

In every circumstance we're going to do what we can for you. In the normal course of business our thinking is: You've read my posts, so deep down inside you know I'm right and you're just being bull-headed. (Don't worry it happens to lots of people.) For reasons of conscience, personal integrity, and other bagatelles of that kind, you remain outside the Catholic Church. You disagree with a LOT of what we think, teach, and do. Especially you disagree with us about what we're doing with the Eucharist. We say,"There are amazing graces available to the devout and penitent here," and you say,"No thanks," politely.

... end of section that got left out.

So as long as that's true, we're going to take you seriously on that, in the normal course of business.

But when the ship has broached and she's dis-masted and rail under water, AND there's a ghost of a whisper of a hope that you'd really like the most Holy Sacrament of our Lord's Body and Blood we're going to commend you and the sacramental interaction to God.

But should you miraculously recover and not even talk to a priest about the possibility of joining up, you will have incurred seriously bad mojo.

For all the facetious lingo, I THINK that's pretty much doctrine and practice.

We're going to do what we can -- which, we'd all agree isn't much -- to get you into heaven. Most of the time that reasonably involves saying to people who choose not to be Catholic, "Hey! It's better over here, why spend your money, etc., take two Isaiah 55s and call me in the morning." But when the compost hits the air-conditioner, we're not going to catechize you to make sure you're orthodox, we're going to give you the best we've got.

Also, No a lying, cheating, murdering, raping, unrepentant Roman Catholic is NOT EITHER perfectly welcome to receive it. If he does so unrepentantly he just exacerbates his already mortal state of sin. VERY bad mojo.

But again, if he's croaking, as far as sacramental ministrations are concerned, we'll give him the benefit of the doubt. God knows if he's repentant.

Still. I'd think about a haircut ....
Just sayin'

3,620 posted on 03/07/2008 12:45:22 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg; MarkBsnr; Dr. Eckleburg; Alamo-Girl; wmfights
FK: "So what you're telling me is that I am not welcome to partake of your Eucharist, but a lying, cheating, murdering, raping, unrepentant Roman Catholic is perfectly welcome to and it is proper for him to receive it?"

....... You disagree with a LOT of what we think, teach, and do. Especially you disagree with us about what we're doing with the Eucharist. We say,"There are amazing graces available to the devout and penitent here," and you say,"No thanks," politely.

Well, as regards transubstantiation, we say "that's not true", politely. :) But that still prompts the question of why we would nevertheless be unwelcome to share in the celebration of the Supper with you. The way you present it, it seems like the graces you offer, including the accompanying theology, are actually mandatory or else you close the door. Any Roman Catholic would always be welcome to partake of the Lord's Supper in any Bible-believing church. We only ask that any partaker honestly consider himself a believer.

Also, No a lying, cheating, murdering, raping, unrepentant Roman Catholic is NOT EITHER perfectly welcome to receive it. If he does so unrepentantly he just exacerbates his already mortal state of sin. VERY bad mojo.

Ah, I didn't understand your reaction and so I went back and studied everything that's been said. My response, that you're alluding to, was based on your saying this:

And the sacraments are not denied to anyone in extremis in any event.

I had never seen the word "extremis" before so I just assumed it meant somehow separated from the Church, like someone who was unrepentant. But now I've looked it up and see that it really means something much more like: "close to death". So, I owe you an apology. I totally misunderstood.

3,922 posted on 03/12/2008 6:31:21 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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