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To: Zero Sum; Mad Dawg
For while He Himself was in no way injured, being impossible and incorruptible and very Word and God [St. Ahanasius]

Strange way to put it for him! As if he was denying Christ's humanity. For Christ would have not only suffered and felt corruption, but we also believe He died before He resurrected.

3,416 posted on 03/01/2008 10:33:32 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; Mad Dawg
For while He Himself was in no way injured, being impossible and incorruptible and very Word and God [St. Ahanasius]

Strange way to put it for him! As if he was denying Christ's humanity.

Huh? What I quoted was directly from the translation of On the Incarnation of the Word (cf. Section 54) found on NewAdvent, to which I provided the link above. God is impassible and incorruptible. There is no denial of Christ's humanity, nor is there any confusion. You wrote:

For Christ would have not only suffered and felt corruption, but we also believe He died before He resurrected.

Absolutely! (How could you have a resurrection without a death?) But God is impassible and incorruptible, so what are we to make of this? From +John Damascene's Exact Exposition of the Orthodox Faith, Book III:

Chapter 26: "The Word of God then itself endured all in the flesh, while His divine nature which alone was passionless remained void of passion. For since the one Christ, Who is a compound of divinity and humanity, and exists in divinity and humanity, truly suffered, that part which is capable of passion suffered as it was natural it should, but that part which was void of passion did not share in the suffering. For the soul, indeed, since it is capable of passion shares in the pain and suffering of a bodily cut, though it is not cut itself but only the body: but the divine part which is void of passion does not share in the suffering of the body.

"Observe, further, that we say that God suffered in the flesh, but never that His divinity suffered in the flesh, or that God suffered through the flesh. For if, when the sun is shining upon a tree, the axe should cleave the tree, and, nevertheless, the sun remains uncleft and void of passion, much more will the passionless divinity of the Word, united in subsistence to the flesh, remain void of passion when the body undergoes passion. And should any one pour water over flaming steel, it is that which naturally suffers by the water, I mean, the fire, that is quenched, but the steel remains untouched (for it is not the nature of steel to be destroyed by water): much more, then, when the flesh suffered did His only passionless divinity escape all passion although abiding inseparable from it. For one must not take the examples too absolutely and strictly: indeed, in the examples, one must consider both what is like and what is unlike, otherwise it would not be an example. For, if they were like in all respects they would be identities, and not examples, and all the more so in dealing with divine matters. For one cannot find an example that is like in all respects whether we are dealing with theology or the dispensation."

Chapter 28: "The word corruption has two meanings. For it signifies all the human sufferings, such as hunger, thirst, weariness, the piercing with nails, death, that is, the separation of soul and body, and so forth. In this sense we say that our Lord's body was subject to corruption. For He voluntarily accepted all these things. But corruption means also the complete resolution of the body into its constituent elements, and its utter disappearance, which is spoken of by many preferably as destruction. The body of our Lord did not experience this form of corruption, as the prophet David says, For You will not leave my soul in hell, neither will You allow Your holy one to see corruption.

"Wherefore to say, with that foolish Julianus and Gaïanus, that our Lord's body was incorruptible, in the first sense of the word, before His resurrection is impious. For if it were incorruptible it was not really, but only apparently, of the same essence as ours, and what the Gospel tells us happened, viz. the hunger, the thirst, the nails, the wound in His side, the death, did not actually occur. But if they only apparently happened, then the mystery of the dispensation is an imposture and a sham, and He became man only in appearance, and not in actual fact, and we are saved only in appearance, and not in actual fact. But God forbid, and may those who so say have no part in the salvation. But we have obtained and shall obtain the true salvation. But in the second meaning of the word "corruption," we confess that our Lord's body is incorruptible, that is, indestructible, for such is the tradition of the inspired Fathers. Indeed, after the resurrection of our Saviour from the dead, we say that our Lord's body is incorruptible even in the first sense of the word. For our Lord by His own body bestowed the gifts both of resurrection and of subsequent incorruption even on our own body, He Himself having become to us the firstfruits both of resurrection and incorruption, and of passionlessness 1 Corinthians 15:20 . For as the divine Apostle says, This corruptible must put on incorruption."

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But of course you already knew that. :)

There is no contradiction here. Read post 3407 again. That quote from +Athanasius is the doctrine of the Incarnation in a nutshell, the concise statement of all that he had previously laid out and argued in his treatise. And MD nailed it, just as concisely, and expressed it very well IMHO.

3,419 posted on 03/02/2008 3:32:48 AM PST by Zero Sum (Liberalism: The damage ends up being a thousand times the benefit! (apologies to Rabbi Benny Lau))
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