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To: Forest Keeper; MarkBsnr; Kolokotronis; stfassisi; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; blue-duncan; wmfights
If God had designed our faith to be provable to all men, to whatever standard they demanded, then all men would believe

And if God wanted men to fly... Try again something better.

Only those to whom God would reveal the truth would ever believe and know about themselves

That is a big time speculation.

Whether I can convince another of my faith, or whether I can convince him of the truth of the fruits of the Spirit that are worked through me, is irrelevant to the truth of my faith.

Well, if it is something very personal/experiential, then no one but you can know in that sense, and there are no words to descirbe it and there is no point in trying to share it with others.

Your faith should be sufficient to you because, obviously by your logic, God wanted it to be deeply personal and not provable to men unless God already made them believe, in which case there is no need to prove anything! :)

But you are also making a giant leap of faith when you say that your faith is right because you "know" it is! Wow! That's rich, FK.

On personal salvation, we simply state facts, in remarkably similar ways, as best we know them by the leading of the Holy Spirit

Nothing remarkable about it, FK. All your co-religionists read the same Book and use the same language and verses, and pick and choose the same "truths." We could equally argue that those who don't agree with you are also led by the Holy Spirit to disagree with you and prove exactly nothing!

The truth of facts is not dependent on who or how many people agree with the facts.

What "facts," FK? You have not stated a single fact; just beliefs.

3,353 posted on 02/29/2008 2:00:44 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; MarkBsnr; Kolokotronis; stfassisi; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; blue-duncan; wmfights; ...
FK: "If God had designed our faith to be provable to all men, to whatever standard they demanded, then all men would believe."

And if God wanted men to fly... Try again something better.

If God had wanted men to fly He would have given him the airplane. So, He did. The Bible clearly says that without God-given ears to hear the scriptures (teachings of God) will be meaningless. Without God there is no proof that will be accepted.

Your faith should be sufficient to you because, obviously by your logic, God wanted it to be deeply personal and not provable to men unless God already made them believe, in which case there is no need to prove anything! :)

That doesn't follow. God uses us to witness to others. If my faith is true, it will speak for itself to the other person. My job is to share the Gospel and give a reason for the hope that I have.

But you are also making a giant leap of faith when you say that your faith is right because you "know" it is! Wow! That's rich, FK.

Where have I said that? You have been showed hundreds of scriptures by many people, reasonably proving the faith to be true, but you have rejected them. That's up to you.

3,554 posted on 03/06/2008 12:52:44 PM PST by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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