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To: hosepipe
Yes they are .. they are not the exactly same (I did not say that) but communism "IS" socialism.. it is measured in degrees

Did you make that up? Communism is a theoretical concept of the end stage of social evolution. It is a classless society, where all means are available to all people, and everything is communal property.

In order for this state to be reached, a long period of building "socialist consciousness" is required, essentially a period of "purification" of our materialistic desires and profiteering. No country ever reached that state.

For any society to begin this process, Marx advocated a violent overthrow of the government and the establishment of the "dictatorship of the proletariat." It was seen as a necessary step because, he argued, the ruling elite would never give up power without a fight.

Not all socialist movements of the 19th century were Marxist in that not all of them advocated a violent overthrow ("people's revolution") of the state system, but rather a peaceful transformation of the society into a more socially just one (accoridng to their definitions).

Even among Russian socialists, and members of the Socialist International, the hard-liner Marxists were known as the Bolsheviks (meaning the ones in majority), who considered the minority non-violent Socialists (the Menisheviks) as "revisionists," a label hard-line communists always used for west European Socialists such as those in power in Scandinavian countries (most of whicb are kingdoms!), etc.

It is safe to say that all of Europe today is Socialist in terms of medical care, job security, retirement and other benefits. Certainly, Japan is a Socialist society, even though it is an industrial giant and an Empire.

The Nazis were socalists.. for that was the name of the party.. They were just CALLED Nazis

No, they weren't just "called" Nazis. It is an abbreviation of Nazionalsozialismus, or National Socialism. Unlike the Socialists belonging to the international socialist movement, the Nazis were nationalists and German-hegemonists. Like all socialists, they favored "big state" but coupled with exclusivist national and racial beliefs.

Socialism can be an economic system or it can be an economic and a Marxist political system. They are both dedicated to creating some kind of socially "just" and equitable society. The basis for Marxist philosophy is to be found in the French Revolution, with slogans such as "liberty, equality, fraternity," and the violent overthrow of the establishment using mob violence.

Most Socialists do not advocate violence, but want a society that doens't have excessively rich and excessively poor.

Italian fascists were simply right-wingers. Their fascism was simply a formula for a strong state, and expansion by means of conquer. No racial intolerance was part of their philosophy. No purity of race was the goal. Italian Fascism did not advocate a socialist system of ownership and economy.

I submit that it is YOU that is ignorant

Who isn't? You? The problem is that those who know the least are usually the ones who think they know the most. They cover their gaps of knowledge with slogans but do it in such a way that betrays their ignorance.

Democracy is a bad thing, and a bad form of government.. The United States is NOT a democracy...

Do you even know what democracy means? From the way you put it, I don't think you do. Here I detect slogans sans understanding. And why would democracy be a bad thing? What proof do you have that democracy, in every form, is a bad thing?

Because democracy is Mob Rule by mobsters and our founders(U.S.)

Oh boy! So, our country's founder's were mobsters? That's pathetic.

Democracy is Tribal Law.. like Sharia Law(Islam) is.. Democracy causes socialism

I'm putting on my fishing boots...and you are embarrassing yourself and probably don't even realize it.

the United States is a republic and NOT a democracy could be an interesting study for you.. for there are reasons very good reasons for it.. The U.S. is a Constitutional Republic..

You need to understand the words before you thrown them around, hosepipe. A republic (res publica, people's entity) is a state that is not a monarchy. A republic can be a democracy, distatorshbip, socialist, communist, fascist, you name it.

Likewise, any state can be absolutist or constitutional, depending on what the supreme law is, a constitution or a monarch, or a religious leader, etc. You can have a socialist monarchy that is constitutional (Sweden, Spain), or you can have a nationalist, socialist republic that is a dictatorship (Nazi Germany), or you could have a constitutional democratic republic (USA), or you can have a theocratic republic where the religious law is supreme (Iran), or you can have an absolutist monarchy (Iran, during rule of Shah Reza Pahlevi), where the monarhc is the law, etc.

3,206 posted on 02/27/2008 9:59:02 AM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; All; Alamo-Girl

Is this

knack . . . proclivity

for sounding soooo in favor of Communism etc

a cultivated thing . . . a hobby . . . a passion . . .

a cause celebre . . .

or what?

And such a persistent presentation hereon is . . . evidence of what . . .

masochism? . . . . cheekiness? . . . audacity? . . .

a stick-in-the-eye poking hobby? . . .

an allergy to ‘letting sleeping dogs lie?’

. . .

an unconscious wish to be divorced from FR?

. . .

What???

puzzlig.


3,208 posted on 02/27/2008 10:10:52 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: kosta50
[ It is safe to say that all of Europe today is Socialist in terms of medical care, job security, retirement and other benefits. Certainly, Japan is a Socialist society, even though it is an industrial giant and an Empire. ]

Socialism is Slavery by Government or even Giverment.. Can start out democratic and usually does but morphs into Slavery or absolutely central gov't.. granting privileges NOT rights.. No socialist government on this planet grants the people rights.. merely privileges. That can of course be taken away.. on a whim.. Socialism always breeds an elite which becomes an Oligarchy..

[ Most Socialists do not advocate violence, but want a society that doesn't have excessively rich and excessively poor. ]

I know its a nasty enviorment.. Euphoria for the Lazy.. i.e. as in Cuba... Ever been to Cuba?...

[ Who isn't? You? The problem is that those who know the least are usually the ones who think they know the most. ]

Tuche'.. When your right your right..

[ And why would democracy be a bad thing? What proof do you have that democracy, in every form, is a bad thing? ]

Democracy breeds socialism which breeds Oligarchy which is Slavery by Government..
Theres a difference between democracy and "A" democracy.. thats NOT subtle.. Capitalism creates wealth, Socialism uses that wealth up.. Hybrid socialism/capitalistic systems are inept and wasteful.. [ Because democracy is Mob Rule by mobsters and our founders(U.S.) Oh boy! So, our country's founder's were mobsters? That's pathetic. ]

The U.S is not a democracy.. even a democratic republic its a Constitutional Republic..
Democracy IS Mob Rule or by a consortium of Mobs.. same thing.. which is Tribal Law..or the Law of the strongest Tribe.. which results in Oligarchy(the elite) like all socialism does..

Democracy is the social disease that produces the symptom of socialism.. and other corruption.. [ A republic can be a democracy, distatorshbip, socialist, communist, fascist, you name it. ]

True it can.. But the United States is a unique republic.. Where we have rights granted by GOD.. NOT the government.. No other nation on earth can say that.. Those rights cannot be legally taken away or adulterated by government "legally" according to our Bill of Rights..

A Banana Republic is really a democracy and not a republic at all.. The Union of the Soviet Socialist Republics(USSR) was not a republic either.. it was an Oligarchy.. driven by an elite.. as all socialist government do or morph into..

3,212 posted on 02/27/2008 10:35:48 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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