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To: Zero Sum
""so hopefully you can explain to me how a statement akin to “We broke and burned things because God told us to” escapes such scrutiny.""

I don’t agree with people who destroy anything in the name of the Catholic Church if it was not given to them to do so by the magesterium of the Church.

Why does it bother you If there were certain gnostic things that the Church might have destroyed?

I doubt you would have no problem destroying pornography in the name of God. Right?

“”Were the ones who crucified Christ free from sin because they were simply taking part in the economy of salvation?””

Of Course not!The Crucifixion of Christ was the only time that God gave power to man to do anything to Him.

They freely chose to crucify Him.

2,790 posted on 02/24/2008 7:23:11 AM PST by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: stfassisi
It intrigues me that I have read, maybe even in this thread — certainly on this forum, the high and enthusiastic approval given to those who destroyed objects of beauty in Anglican churches.

It seems too much of a challenge for some to entertain the notion that even the Church took time, centuries, millennia in the case of slavery, to figure things out. Plenty of things remain as problems not only not solved but scarcely perceived as problems.

Children as they enter adolescence have to deal with the disppointment that arises from the very clear imperfections and lack of omnicompetence of their parents. Some children never get over it. Others come to understand that parental authority survives even the massively obvious imperfections of the parents.

And there is an aversion to nuance, an "all or nothing" template which cannot allow perfection in any one respect in anything which is not perfect in every respect.

Oh well.

2,802 posted on 02/24/2008 8:58:22 AM PST by Mad Dawg
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To: stfassisi
I don’t agree with people who destroy anything in the name of the Catholic Church if it was not given to them to do so by the magesterium of the Church.

I was with you up until you qualified it.

Why does it bother you If there were certain gnostic things that the Church might have destroyed?

My question dealt with how you justify destroying things under the auspices of the magisterium. Because God told them to? How do you know? Did God give them an explicit, "secret" command to destroy things held by others who claimed to have a "secret" knowledge? How ironic...

This happened a long time ago when this kind of thing was the norm. We have different assumptions associated with our age and are guilty of many sins ourselves, so we dare not judge them personally lest we be judged. But that doesn't change the fact that it was wrong.

I doubt you would have no problem destroying pornography in the name of God. Right?

Apples and oranges. The first case dealt with books, or written words. Why would words need to be countered with force?

But to answer your question: No, I do not think that God "calls" us (or whatever) to break into other people's homes and enforce a morality code. Good laws do not make good men, and the ends do not justify the means.

3,024 posted on 02/25/2008 5:35:21 PM PST by Zero Sum (Liberalism: The damage ends up being a thousand times the benefit! (apologies to Rabbi Benny Lau))
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