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To: MarkBsnr
I thought that you claimed knowledge, not belief.

lol. Just because you've read Webster's definition of "gnostic" and thus have some vague understanding of gnosticism as having something to do with "knowledge," this does not mean all "knowledge" is incorrect or gnostic.

Some knowledge is actually God-given. And by this God-given knowledge we have faith in Christ alone because God has renewed our minds and quickened our hearts to understand this truth. Like Paul, we know whom we have believed.

"Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth...

For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." -- Romans 10:1-4;13


"And I myself also am persuaded of you, my brethren, that ye also are full of goodness, filled with all knowledge, able also to admonish one another." -- Romans 15:14


"That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge" -- 1 Corinthians 1:5


"Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place." -- 2 Corinthians 2:14


"For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ." -- 2 Corinthains 4:6


"By pureness, by knowledge, by longsuffering, by kindness, by the Holy Ghost, by love unfeigned" -- 2 Corinthians 6:6


"That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him" -- Ephesians 1:17


"And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment" -- Philippians 1:9


"Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ" -- Philippians 3:8


"And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him...

Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord...

And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men;

Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ." -- Colossians 3:10,16,23-24


2,307 posted on 02/19/2008 11:37:51 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; MarkBsnr
Mark, the word Gnostic touches Portestant's nerves. In proving that they "know" they can only quote St. Paul. Wnich is why they like him so much and which is why the Gnostics liked Paul so much. And, let's not forget, his was Marcion's only Apostle whose works were good enough to keep in their entirety.

You see, without the knowledge, their whole belief falls apart. Yet when challeneged to porve what they know they can't. That's the point when they say "you don't have eyes and ears..." Very convincing...LOL.

2,324 posted on 02/19/2008 1:40:26 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

***Just because you’ve read Webster’s definition of “gnostic” and thus have some vague understanding of gnosticism as having something to do with “knowledge,” this does not mean all “knowledge” is incorrect or gnostic.***

I have read the Church Fathers’ definitions of Gnosticism and have specific knowledge of their understanding of it. I have read of their battle against this early great evil and how it nearly finished the Church. I find it despicable that modern day self-identified Christians proclaim it, without claiming it, after all these centuries.

***Some knowledge is actually God-given.***

Can you show that yours is? Do you have anything other than a misinterpretation of St. Paul? Is your Bible that much lighter with the four Gospels removed? Or more understandable?


2,335 posted on 02/19/2008 7:04:53 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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