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To: Dr. Eckleburg; kosta50

***”For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth” — Romans 9:11***

Why don’t you call out the surrounding verse to illustrate the proper context?

Romans 9 through 11 is very important. Israel’s unbelief and its rejection of Jesus as savior astonished and puzzled Christians. It constituted a serious problem for them in view of God’s specific preparation of Israel for the advent of the Messiah. Paul addresses himself here to the essential question of how the divine plan could be frustrated by Israel’s unbelief. At the same time, he discourages both complacency and anxiety on the part of Gentiles. To those who might boast of their superior advantage over Jews, he warns that their enjoyment of the blessings assigned to Israel can be terminated. To those who might anxiously ask, “How can we be sure that Israel’s fate will not be ours?” he replies that only unbelief can deprive one of salvation.

The principle of divine election does not invite Christians to theoretical inquiry concerning the nonelected nor does this principle mean that God is unfair in his dealings with humanity. The instruction concerning divine election is a part of the gospel and reveals that the gift of faith is the enactment of God’s mercy (Romans 9:16). God raised up Moses to display that mercy, and Pharaoh to display divine severity in punishing those who obstinately oppose their Creator.

The basic biblical principle is: those who will not see or hear shall not see or hear. On the other hand, the same God who thus makes stubborn or hardens the heart can reconstruct it through the work of the holy Spirit.

The apostle responds to the objection that if God rules over faith through the principle of divine election, God cannot then accuse unbelievers of sin (Romans 9:19). For Paul, this objection is in the last analysis a manifestation of human insolence, and his “answer” is less an explanation of God’s ways than the rejection of an argument that places humanity on a level with God. At the same time, Paul shows that God is far less arbitrary than appearances suggest, for God endures with much patience (Romans 9:22) a person like the Pharaoh of the Exodus.


2,297 posted on 02/19/2008 10:38:17 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr; HarleyD; wmfights; Forest Keeper; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; blue-duncan; xzins; P-Marlowe; ..
Mark, are you having an "Obama moment?"

When your entire post is just one big, word-for-word swipe from the footnotes of the New American Bible, you should acknowledge that the sentences you are posting were written by someone else...

NEW AMERICAN BIBLE
U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops
(as used by MakBSnr without attribution)

Regardless, none of your post (lifted verbatim from footnotes in the New American Bible) changes the fact that Paul tells us we can do nothing to earn our salvation; it is all of mercy, and not debt.

"Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness." -- Romans 4:4-5


2,302 posted on 02/19/2008 11:01:22 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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