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Poor St. Paul. How can he possibly handle being so badly misinterpreted.

***So, as you can see, since we claim to be Bible-believing Christians, we could not possibly hold to the view that you project onto us. The old self, which might do those horrible things you listed earlier, was CRUCIFIED with Christ and he no longer lives, but Christ lives within us. The death Christ died, He died to sin once and for all, and the elect along with Him.***

But even the self-described elect does do these things. It is admitted even by the most die hard Calvinist. Your personal old self was not crucified with Christ. It wasn’t even around for nearly 2000 years.

Everyone sins. With that fact in mind, how can you rationalize your statement?

FK: ***So, as you can see, since we claim to be Bible-believing Christians, we could not possibly hold to the view that you project onto us. The old self, which might do those horrible things you listed earlier, was CRUCIFIED with Christ and he no longer lives, but Christ lives within us. The death Christ died, He died to sin once and for all, and the elect along with Him.***

But even the self-described elect does do these things. It is admitted even by the most die hard Calvinist. Your personal old self was not crucified with Christ. It wasn’t even around for nearly 2000 years. Everyone sins. With that fact in mind, how can you rationalize your statement? (emphasis added)

I'm sure you know that I was paraphrasing from these (and others):

Gal 2:20 : I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

Rom 6:8-10 : 8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.

So, with all due modesty I think my paraphrase was pretty faithful. :) Of course the elect still sin, but that is the remnant, the old nature itself is "gone" since we have been changed by God. The new believer is a changed person, no longer with the proclivity to sin as he had before. As Paul says, we are no longer slaves to sin, but slaves to righteousness.