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To: Forest Keeper; Dr. Eckleburg; hosepipe; Quix; HarleyD; wmfights; the_conscience; irishtenor
Thank you so very much for sharing your insights and for your encouragements!

Yes, I think you're exactly right. Thanks for your wonderful post. I see what you're talking about every time we are compared to Muslims, which is often. I suppose that without the extra-scriptural Tradition of the Church, everyone else, including other Christians, are all Gnostics.

Seems to me it turns on the question, "Who do you believe?"

If a person believes Mohammed, then everyone who does not is an "Infidel."

If a person believes Joseph Smith, then Christians who do not are "Apostate."

If a person believes the dogma of the Catholic Church, then Christians who do not are "Heretic."

If a person believes the Catholic Church has the singular power to impart the Holy Spirit by laying on of hands in the sacrament of confirmation, then any non-Catholic Christian who testifies to the indwelling Holy Spirit directly by the grace and power of God must be "Gnostic."

And so on.

I believe God alone. Moreover, I count it all joy when others call me "Apostate" or "Gnostic" or "Heretic" or "Infidel" or whatever pleases them.

Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great [is] your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. - Matthew 5:11-12

Praise God!!!

2,197 posted on 02/17/2008 9:43:53 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl; betty boop; .30Carbine; Whosoever
In a family its not what you believe but who you are that counts.. Its not about how smart you are(that you believe this or that) but who in essence you are(born again) that counts..

Many heretics and apostics and cult members may be born again.. since its not about what you believe.. but whom you are.. Some people are not too smart and/or naieve.. and believe strange things compared to to each other..

Thats why Jesus said love God and be "nice" to your neighbor, I think.. We might be living with some of them for eternity.. Even though we labeled them as ugh strange.. and cultic.. God forbid we put a stumbling block before them..

They might stupid but born again.. and are our brother or sister..

2,198 posted on 02/17/2008 10:07:52 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: Alamo-Girl; Dr. Eckleburg; Marysecretary; DarthVader; wmfights; fortheDeclaration

INDEED.

AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!

BTW,

Have been worshipping at the computer a lot today . . . but not remotely bowing down to IT! LOL.

I discovered that YOUTUBE has a lot of videos of THE ISAACS and Gaithers etc. and it’s just been a blessing.

Here’s a link to one or two or more:

I SURRENDER ALL BY THE ISAACS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOq7p3RTm5w

IT IS WELL WITH MY SOUL BY THE ISAACS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vaar6Ij55ig

I HAVE A FATHER WHO CAN BY THE ISAACS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdMGzW0fY7s

BLESSED ASSURANCE BY THE ISAACS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE7AGB5nXTs

BLESSED ASSURANCE:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgCJlSAwO9Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nyvqx-L3QRg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afzKLHy4KpY&feature=related


2,199 posted on 02/17/2008 10:18:34 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Alamo-Girl; Dr. Eckleburg; hosepipe; Quix; HarleyD; wmfights; the_conscience; irishtenor
I believe God alone. Moreover, I count it all joy when others call me "Apostate" or "Gnostic" or "Heretic" or "Infidel" or whatever pleases them.

Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great [is] your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. - Matthew 5:11-12

AMEN dear sister! And I must confess my sin that this is sometimes hard for me. LOL! To find a silver lining, at least I can be certain that there is much for me to learn. :)

2,613 posted on 02/22/2008 12:09:47 AM PST by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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