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To: kosta50; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; .30Carbine
[ The Church did not lock up the Bible with Latin; there was no other alternative. And the reason colloquial language bible were not allowed is because vernacular was a vulgar language the way our street slang is, in addition to being impoverished in phraseology and grammar. ]

Much of the New Testament was written in Joiner greek (vernacular greek).. Not the greek of debate and sophistry.. Do see a message here?.. The Bible has since been translated into hundreds of vernacular languages.. Since when?.. Since the reformers made the Bible available to all.. Else it might have never been..

Not only that but written and verbal greek is so rich it takes many sentences sometimes to translate one greek word.. With the additional tenses and construction of the "words".. But you can get the sense of it all by translating one english word for one greek word, although not usually completely accurate.. Thats why even primitive languages can get the sense of the gospel.. in their own language.. Since thats the only language they speak.. Even some translators have to create an alphabet to even write it down.. or translate it..

Locking the Bible up in Latin was a travesty.. COuld have been for Job Security.. or not.. But I think so.. Millions of people worldwide have learned to read just so they could read the Bible.. even today that happens.. Happened in Germany too because of Luthers work.. many learned to read just for that purpose..

2,163 posted on 02/17/2008 2:21:51 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: kosta50

corr: KOINE greek...


2,164 posted on 02/17/2008 2:23:26 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: hosepipe; betty boop; .30Carbine
Locking the Bible up in Latin was a travesty.. COuld have been for Job Security.. or not.. But I think so.. Millions of people worldwide have learned to read just so they could read the Bible.. even today that happens.. Happened in Germany too because of Luthers work.. many learned to read just for that purpose

But does that affect their salvation?

2,166 posted on 02/17/2008 5:28:42 AM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: hosepipe; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; wmfights; blue-duncan; Forest Keeper; the_conscience; Quix; ...
Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!

Again I aver as I did in post 2159 that God is not stumped by languages and translations or the actions or inactions of beings, physical or spiritual.

The words of God are not merely compilations of written or verbal language symbols – they are spirit and they are life.

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life. - John 6:63

That is why only those with “ears to hear” can hear them – the words of God are Spiritually discerned.

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: - John 10:27

Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word. – John 8:43

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned. - I Corinthians 2:14

Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. – Matthew 22:29

They are in fact, our food.

But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. - Matthew 4:4

Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. – 1 Corinthians 10:1-4

That, by the way, is an often missed Spiritual Truth in John 6 as so many concentrating on the physical observance of the bread and wine overlook the point that we are to feed on the Living Word of God, Logos, Jesus Christ.

I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us [his] flesh to eat?

Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever. - John 6:51-58

Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard [this], said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?

When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you? [What] and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life. – John 6:60-63

Does anyone really believe God is powerless to satisfy the spiritual hunger and thirst of His own adopted children by reason of a vulgar language or bad translation - deafness, darkness or any thing else?

Does anyone really believe than any being has the power to destroy, mute or hide the words of God - or in any way thwart His will?

As long as there are Christians who love God surpassingly above all else, which is the one and only Great Commandment (Matthew 22:37-38) there will always be someone qualified to feed His sheep. That is an often missed Spiritual Truth in this passage:

So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, [son] of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.

He saith to him again the second time, Simon, [son] of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

He saith unto him the third time, Simon, [son] of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

Verily, verily, I say unto thee, When thou wast young, thou girdedst thyself, and walkedst whither thou wouldest: but when thou shalt be old, thou shalt stretch forth thy hands, and another shall gird thee, and carry [thee] whither thou wouldest not. This spake he, signifying by what death he should glorify God. And when he had spoken this, he saith unto him, Follow me. – John 21:15-19

After all, even the darkest of ages, God always keeps a remnant for Himself!

Except the LORD of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, [and] we should have been like unto Gomorrah. – Isaiah 1:9

To God be the glory!

2,169 posted on 02/17/2008 9:23:21 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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