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To: hosepipe
Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dear hosepipe!

I too would love to see the metaphors of John 10:1-18 addressed in a sermon or homily.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.

And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.

Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have [it] more abundantly.

I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep. The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.

I am the good shepherd, and know my [sheep], and am known of mine. As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one shepherd.

Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Of course we know Jesus Christ is the Good Shepherd and the door. And we know the sheep (two folds) are His. The sheep hear His voice and respond only to Him; they follow Him.

And I agree with you that the pens are assemblies of sheep which could include more than two pens for two folds. In other words, the doctrines and traditions of men have the affect of sheep-built "walls" separating the sheep from one another.

And although the passage doesn't speak of goats, it would be a logical extension that goats probably assemble together in pens of their own making - or else mingle amidst the sheep, trying to imitate them.

But the goats are not Christ's sheep and, in the end, He sorts them out.

When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. - Matthew 25:31-33

Maranatha, Jesus!!!

2,130 posted on 02/15/2008 10:56:42 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

Amen..


2,148 posted on 02/16/2008 10:56:37 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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