To: kosta50; Dr. Eckleburg; irishtenor; Forest Keeper; blue-duncan; Quix; wmfights; MarkBsnr
The verse simply says believers. Just like the verse before: those who believe and are baptized shall be saved. It doesn't mean "some" of those who believe and are baptized, HD. It means all who believe and are baptized shall be saved This is an excellent example of how people read into the text things that are not there. Consider the text:
Mar 16:16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved, but he who does not believe will be condemned.
Mar 16:17 And miraculous signs will follow to those believing these things: in My name they will cast out demons; they will speak new tongues;
Mar 16:18 they will take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it will not hurt them. They will lay hands on the sick, and they will be well.
Do you see the word "all" anywhere in this text? It doesn't say "all believers". It simply states that miraculouse signs will follow to those believing these things. It also does not mention that you have to be baptized to be saved; only that those who do not believe are not saved.
If people would pay closer attention to what the text ACTUALLY states versus what they THINK the text states, it would make our Calvinist teaching a little bit easier.
To: HarleyD; Alamo-Girl
I think it’s hazardous to infer and extrapolate . . .
Nevertheless, imho,
ANYONE WHO earnestly TAKES GOD AT HIS WORD
AND earnestly APPLIES IT IN THEIR LIVES . . .
can expect to be included in the class of those who reap it’s benefits.
imho, that can functionally end up pretty . . . close to “all,” if not well over that line.
I think the attitude of the heart . . . is critical, as always.
2,045 posted on
02/14/2008 4:10:30 AM PST by
Quix
(GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
To: HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; irishtenor; Forest Keeper; blue-duncan; Quix; wmfights; MarkBsnr
Do you see the word "all" anywhere in this text? It doesn't say "all believers". It simply states that miraculouse signs will follow to those believing these things Those who believe means all those believe, not some, HD.
It also does not mention that you have to be baptized to be saved
No but it makes it very clear that the ones who believe and are baptized shall be saved. It also makes it clear that those who are baptized but do not believe will not be. This of course flies in the face of all the other "salvational formulas" one finds all over the NT. Take your pick.
2,054 posted on
02/14/2008 7:28:37 AM PST by
kosta50
(Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
To: HarleyD
***He who believes and is baptized will be saved***
This statement, which is without any sort of conditions, means that it is true for all who:
1) believe
2) are baptized
Sounds pretty plain to me.
2,239 posted on
02/18/2008 4:09:00 PM PST by
MarkBsnr
(I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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