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To: Alamo-Girl; wmfights; Uncle Chip; PAR35; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; irishtenor; the_conscience; ...
The New England Primer (pronounced prim' er, short "i") was by far the most commonly used textbook in the United States for over 100 years. The first edition was printed in 1690 and it was still in use in 1900. It was used in both public and private schools.

Thanks for that interesting piece of history. Looks like John Dewey and the NEA didn't do Christians any favors when they rewrote the textbooks for American schools. 8~)

From the Boettner link here's another facinating fact of our shared past...

N. S. McFetridge has thrown light upon another major development of the Revolutionary period. For the sake of accuracy and completeness we shall take the privilege of quoting him rather extensively. "Another important factor in the independent movement," says he, "was what is known as the 'Mecklenburg Declaration,' proclaimed by the Scotch-Irish Presbyterians of North Carolina, May 20, 1775, more than a year before the Declaration (of Independence) of Congress. It was the fresh, hearty greeting of the Scotch-Irish to their struggling brethren in the North, and their bold challenge to the power of England. They had been keenly watching the progress of the contest between the colonies and the Crown, and when they heard of the address presented by the Congress to the King, declaring the colonies in actual rebellion, they deemed it time for patriots to speak.

Accordingly, they called a representative body together in Charlotte, N. C., which by unanimous resolution declared the people free and independent, and that all laws and commissions from the king were henceforth null and void. In their Declaration were such resolutions as these: 'We do hereby dissolve the political bands which have connected us with the mother-country, and hereby absolve ourselves from all allegiance to the British crown' .... 'We hereby declare ourselves a free and independent people; are, and of right ought to be, a sovereign and self-governing association, under control of no power other than that of our God and the general government of Congress; to the maintenance of which we solemnly pledge to each other our mutual cooperation and our lives, our fortunes and our most sacred honor.' ... That assembly was composed of twenty-seven staunch Calvinists, just one-third of whom were ruling elders in the Presbyterian Church, including the president and secretary; and one was a Presbyterian clergyman. The man who drew up that famous and important document was the secretary, Ephraim Brevard, a ruling elder of the Presbyterian Church and a graduate of Princeton College. Bancroft says of it that it was, 'in effect, a declaration as well as a complete system of government.' (U.S. Hist. VIII, 40). It was sent by special messenger to the Congress in Philadelphia, and was published in the Cape Fear Mercury, and was widely distributed throughout the land. Of course it was speedily transmitted to England, where it became the cause of intense excitement.

"The identity of sentiment and similarity of expression in this Declaration and the great Declaration written by Jefferson could not escape the eye of the historian; hence Tucker, in his Life of Jefferson, says: 'Everyone must be persuaded that one of these papers must have been borrowed from the other.' But it is certain that Brevard could not have 'borrowed' from Jefferson, for he wrote more than a year before Jefferson; hence Jefferson, according to his biographer, must have 'borrowed' from Brevard. But it was a happy plagiarism, for which the world will freely forgive him. In correcting his first draft of the Declaration it can be seen, in at least a few places, that Jefferson has erased the original words and inserted those which are first found in the Mecklenberg Declaration. No one can doubt that Jefferson had Brevard's resolutions before him when he was writing his immortal Declaration."

This striking similarity between the principles set forth in the Form of Government of the Presbyterian Church and those set forth in the Constitution of the United States has caused much comment. "When the fathers of our Republic sat down to frame a system of representative and popular government," says Dr. E. W. Smith, "their task was not so difficult as some have imagined. They had a model to work by."

"If the average American citizen were asked, who was the founder of America, the true author of our great Republic, he might be puzzled to answer. We can imagine his amazement at hearing the answer given to this question by the famous German historian, Ranke, one of the profoundest scholars of modern times. Says Ranke, 'John Calvin was the virtual founder of America.'"


1,843 posted on 02/10/2008 12:11:19 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; kosta50
“John Calvin was the virtual founder of America.’”

You Know,Dr E,every time I see calvin’s picture I see the devil in him.

Here are the fruits from calvin that make up this country.

You’re free to..

Have an abortion,purchase pornography legally,practice homosexuality,have commercials on TV for male enhancement etc... You name it ! And it is getting worse.

When you adopt the view that God planned for the the poor to be poor and God looked with favor and gave grace to people of wealth and success in business ,you can clearly see that the founding fathers of this country would have the audacity to be involved in trading and owning slaves and think that God is going to bless america and its future.

Why would one play God for such a fool!

You’re prayers should be that God has mercy on us for the sin of listening to calvin

1,848 posted on 02/10/2008 5:54:41 PM PST by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Thank you for that very interesting excerpt!

Looks like John Dewey and the NEA didn't do Christians any favors when they rewrote the textbooks for American schools. 8~)

No kidding. Likewise is the Supreme Court's gradually interpreting the Establishment Clause to mean "freedom from religion."


1,860 posted on 02/10/2008 9:40:32 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"Another important factor in the independent movement," says he, "was what is known as the 'Mecklenburg Declaration,' proclaimed by the Scotch-Irish Presbyterians of North Carolina, May 20, 1775, more than a year before the Declaration (of Independence) of Congress.

Thank you Dr. E.! That is fascinating. It looks like Jefferson really did do some "heavy lifting". :)

2,012 posted on 02/13/2008 2:55:32 PM PST by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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