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To: P-Marlowe; Dr. Eckleburg; Uncle Chip; wmfights; blue-duncan; Quix; 1000 silverlings; irishtenor
Kindly name it.

That would be National Socialism.

P-Marlowe, National Socialism is a political system. Capitalism is an apolitical economic system. They are apples and oranges.

Judging from the reactions I see, I imagine there are those here who believe that attracting and hiring illegal aliens is a good thing for the country and businesses that are guilty are doing the right thing.

And a government failure to enforce existing laws prohibiting such practices is also a good thing. And having a potential fifth column in the country because of our border lawlessness must also be a good thing.

I am sorry I disagree. Just as capitalism did not do the right thing when it was using child labor, that same capitalism is not serving the nation's best interest by hiring illegal aliens for no reason other than personal profit.

And because a system based on greed is unlikely to police itself (based on previous experience), or intrinsically follow ethical principles or national interests, it has to be curbed in order not to subject everything to the love of money, including ethical standards and national interests.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that it is better to have than not to have and that it is better to have more than to have less. Capitalism is part of our human nature. But our desire, indeed—right to have and to have more, does not justify violating ethics of the society or jeopardizing national interests, just as not all speech is protected speech.

And the government is not serving the people's best interest by not providing protection and not enforcing the existing laws against those businesses that are hiring illegal aliens.

No matter how you dress it up, the root cause of illegal aliens in this country is free trade (capitalism): supply and demand. Illegal immigration will stop when the demand (by unethical businesses) ends. Once that happens, the supply will stop and reverse itself.

But obviously our economic system has no intention of policing itself for the good of the country, and with the government unwilling to use the existing laws to penalize such practices, the illegal immigration will continue as it has no reason to stop.

And among illegal migrants seeking jobs, we could have tens of thousands of enemy combatants crossing our southern border that we know nothing about. And if such illegals are granted amnesty (as Sen McCain wants) then we will grants legal status to the enemy, all in the name of free trade!

The culprit here is clearly the economic system (capitalism) that—out of pure greed—creates conditions attractive enough for illegals to come here in throngs, and the governments on all levels that are unwilling to force such business practices shut.

The alternative is not National Socialism (how ridiculous!), but a responsible government enforcing existing laws and forcing an end to demand that feeds illegal immigration. Or, alternatively, business that use illegal aliens voluntarily stopping their unethical practice (yeah right!).

In other words, either the government or the economic system needs to do something that is in the national interest because there is a clear and present danger of having a significant fifth column in this country aided and created by our unwllingness to stop illegal immigration.

How can we as a nation export our system as a country of laws if we are unwilling or unable to enforce our own and have an underground shady economy made up of millions of people who don't exist on the books?!

How can we offer ours system as a "model" if there are millions of people with potentially serious diseases who entered our country illegally and without medical documentation? Is this what we offer as part of our "freedom package?" Get real, all of you.

1,707 posted on 02/09/2008 5:52:08 AM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; P-Marlowe; Uncle Chip; wmfights; blue-duncan; Quix; 1000 silverlings; irishtenor; ...
ROTFLOL!

I just realized you have done to capitalism what you have been doing to the Bible -- demean it, marginalize it, and ultimately, deny its validity and worth.

And because (capitalism) a system based on greed is unlikely to police itself (based on previous experience), or intrinsically follow ethical principles or national interests, it has to be curbed

You are on the wrong website, Kosta.

Capitalism is not "based on greed."

Capitalism is not "unlikely to follow ethical principles."

Capitalism is not "unlikely to follow national interests."

And capitalism does not "have to be curbed."

That is a prescription for fascism. Marlowe was correct. What do you think the Germans were told when their private property and civil rights were taken? They were told to stop being "selfish" and give for the good of the fatherland, the state.

And we see how well that turned out.

No matter how you dress it up, the root cause of illegal aliens in this country is free trade (capitalism): supply and demand.

Kosta, in all seriousness, that is one of the goofiest things I've ever read on FR. Period.

The "root cause" of illegal aliens is the elected government in a free country being overwhelmed by masses of people wishing to better their own lives and that government dragging its feet on doing the difficult work of sorting this out because it is not a small problem; it is a voluminous problem. The $1.25 fruit bowl you had for breakfast would cost you $5 without the low-waged manual labor to pick that fruit. Thanks to abortion and a lower birth rate this country does not have the manual labor force it requires to keep the economy running. God willing, that trend will be reversed, but until then, the jobs will be filled by those who want those jobs.

The culprit here is clearly the economic system (capitalism)

Capitalism is not a "culprit." Capitalism is the soundest, sanest, most equitable means of allocating resources on this earth. Capitalism was responsible for transforming these United States into the one and only super power on the planet as well as lifting third world countries out of the deathgrip of poverty and the true greed of despots (Greece included,) and it will continue to do so for as long as men know the difference between socialism and capitalism, and choose the latter, by the grace of God.

In other words, either the government or the economic system needs to do something

The principles of our capitalistic economic system are reliable and productive. The government needs to handle the problem because the government's job is public safety, not regulating the markets or instituting socialism in place of capitalism.

Please give us the name of the "economic system" which you find preferable to that "culprit," capitalism.

1,723 posted on 02/09/2008 8:56:52 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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