The HS leads all believers at varying paces, and all believers reflect the HS's leadership to varying degrees. The ultimate test for anyone or any group of men, is to what degree the teaching follows scripture. And, the way scriptures are interpreted is also governed by the HS per above.
I am not right, and you are wrong, because the HS leads me and does not lead you. The HS leads us both because we are both Christians. There are simply varying results, within time, according to God's plan. It is a virtual certainty that both of us are wrong in some, or even several, of our interpretations. That leaves room for both of us to grow in our faiths. The same applied to all the men we are talking about during their lives.
That is a tremendous error on the part of the Reformers which has given rise to the thousands of different denominations, as well as declaring fair game for any individual to develop his/her own theology and hang up a church shingle if he/she chooses.
There is no error. You can't tell me that if you could snatch any two Popes from history and throw them in the same room they would agree on everything important. There's no way. If they agreed on everything then they were static in the Lord. There could have been no growth. I don't think God cares so much about how many different names hang on the outside of houses of worship. I think He cares much more about what is being proclaimed inside.
More, better; okay. Some of both perhaps?
Sure, good enough. :)
The OT outlines the failure of God to get the Jews to pay attention and prepare themselves for the Messiah. The mission to the Gentiles was a fallback.
That's very Kostalian. :) But how could an omniscient God pursue a course He knows that is doomed to failure on His part? Of course He would not. The failure of the Jews was always part of His plan, which fit neatly and perfectly with His plan to then bring in the Gentiles, as a group. God did not change His mind, He always intended for Gentiles to be saved. In fact, many Gentiles were saved in the OT. For example:
Matt 12:41 : 41 The men of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and now one greater than Jonah is here.
And He foretold that He would save Gentiles:
Rom 9:23-25 : 23 What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory— 24 even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles? 25 As he says in Hosea: "I will call them 'my people' who are not my people; and I will call her 'my loved one' who is not my loved one," ...
Therefore, the mission to the Gentiles could NOT have been a fallback. It all happened exactly according to plan.
The Jews are God’s Chosen People and they as a nation have not accepted Jesus Christ as the Messiah. This alone should provide sufficient evidence that God has created us with free will.
Not in the sense that I think you mean it. God is simply not a failure. :) Does it make no sense at all that God used the failure of the Jews to usher in the inclusion of the Gentiles, and that it was all planned? It flows perfectly to me. I mean, we DO have the luxury of 20-20 hindsight. This part is supposed to be easy. :)
***The HS leads all believers at varying paces, and all believers reflect the HS’s leadership to varying degrees.***
The very term “lead” indicates that there are those who choose to follow, and, by corollary, those who choose to not follow.
***You can’t tell me that if you could snatch any two Popes from history and throw them in the same room they would agree on everything important.***
No, but I would tell you that the Church is not the Pope, nor is it any or all of them. It matters that the Church is correct, not any man within it.
***The failure of the Jews was always part of His plan, which fit neatly and perfectly with His plan to then bring in the Gentiles, as a group.***
Are you saying that God really didn’t mean that the Jews were the Chosen People? Was God lying? Did He really mean that by “Chosen People”, he meant chosen for hell? This does not follow Scripture in any way.
***Not in the sense that I think you mean it. God is simply not a failure. :) Does it make no sense at all that God used the failure of the Jews to usher in the inclusion of the Gentiles, and that it was all planned? It flows perfectly to me. I mean, we DO have the luxury of 20-20 hindsight. This part is supposed to be easy. :)***
God tried everything to lead the Jews to Christ, short of frogmarching them. Isn’t this an indicator that if He didn’t do it with the Chosen People, He doesn’t do it to anyone else?
***The HS leads all believers at varying paces, and all believers reflect the HS’s leadership to varying degrees.***
Then one would expect that all believers would be in harmony.
***There are simply varying results, within time, according to God’s plan. It is a virtual certainty that both of us are wrong in some, or even several, of our interpretations.***
How can the Holy Spirit be wrong?