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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The church is not the "temple of the Holy Spirit."

What a bizarre claim. Scripture says the bodies of Christian believers are temples of the Holy Spirit. How much more is that true of the mystical Body of Christ?

Besides which, the Church is the Temple of the Living God. It as much the Temple of the Holy Spirit as it is the Temple of the other Persons of the Blessed Trinity.

Are you into rejecting the Trinity now?

The RCC has the sacraments being the means of Christ revealing Himself to us and paying for our sins

That isn't what the catechism said, is it? No, it certainly isn't. That's your spin on what the catechism said.

when Scripture tells us that the Holy Spirit gives all believers the knowledge of what is good and true regarding Christ's one-time, accomplished sacrifice for all this sins of His flock.

The catechism passages you quoted didn't discuss how believers acquire knowledge, but how they acquire grace.

Well, on another thread, we're assured that "Romanist doctrine" says that we can only seek God through our intellect. That isn't any "Romanist doctrine" I know. Maybe you guys think "knowledge" and "grace" are two ways of saying the same thing.

1,555 posted on 02/07/2008 2:26:17 PM PST by Campion
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To: Campion; Dr. Eckleburg; MarkBsnr
Maybe you guys think "knowledge" and "grace" are two ways of saying the same thing

It's called Gnosticism, and it seems to be alive and well in the Reformed world.

1,559 posted on 02/07/2008 2:43:33 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: Campion; Uncle Chip; fortheDeclaration; wmfights; Alamo-Girl; Quix; the_conscience
Maybe you guys think "knowledge" and "grace" are two ways of saying the same thing.

We "guys" know the vital distinction between grace and knowledge. It's Rome who mixes up grace with works. From the other thread...

"In opposition to (Rome,) Hodge, following the lead of Calvin, stresses the fact that the whole set of sinful man needs to be renewed by the power of the Holy Spirit. The natural man must be "renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him" (Col. 3:10)...

This renovation is said to be not in knowledge, much less by knowledge, but unto knowledge, so that he knows.

Knowledge is the effect of the renovation spoken of."

Knowledge of grace does not bring grace. Grace brings knowledge of everything.

1,565 posted on 02/07/2008 4:04:19 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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