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To: wmfights; Kolokotronis; Uncle Chip
It is those Protestants you demean that are fighting the fight. All I see from the RC's and EO is accommodation with the enemy.

I don't agree with your idealistic portrayal of the world. You left out greed and business interests that also have their place in our society and foreign policy. You also left out dirty politics.

I served twenty years in the military through three wars. You are going to tell me that I "accommodate" the enemy? Shame on you.

Maybe the problem is that we have decided to change how 1.2 billion people live and what they believe and make them in our image. Or maybe we decided to side with their enemies, and get involved in their local dispute, instead of minding our own business.

How do we promote our values in Bosnia and Kosovo or in tolerating occupied Cyprus? Why are we keeping a couple of thousand troops in Western Europe 19 years after the Soviet Union collapsed? Why is NATO expanding now that it is no longer a "defensive" organization? Are you ready to send our sons and daughters to nuclear holocaust over Estonia? For what?

And how would you like if Germans or French of Japanese tried to interfere in our elections and push their values on us?

Are you going to call Gen Wesley Clark and tell him he is "accommodating" the enemy too because he is opposed to our senseless war in Iraq? Accommodating the enemy is treason. Are you calling Gen Clark, all EO's and RCCs traitors because they disagree with one of the worst Presidents in the American history (my opinion), George W. Bush? Shame on you.

You are shutting people up for speaking their mind because you disagree with their opinion. And you are exalting freedom of speech as the basic American value? Being opposed to foreign policy is not treason. Maybe it was in Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia. But not in America. Shame on you.

Kolo is absolutely right. But one must be able to see the other side to make a comparison. Unfortunately, multidimensional weltanschauun is alien to so many one-dimentional individuals whose see only one side of the moon and therefore have nothing to compare it to.

1,533 posted on 02/07/2008 1:02:33 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; Kolokotronis; Uncle Chip
WM:It is those Protestants you demean that are fighting the fight. All I see from the RC's and EO is accommodation with the enemy.

KO:I served twenty years in the military through three wars. You are going to tell me that I "accommodate" the enemy? Shame on you.

I appreciate and respect your service.

I currently have relatives and friends whose sons are in the service. One of those fine young men goes on 6 month deployments and is not allowed to say where or what he is doing. You can only guess at the risks he faces.

How you can perceive I'm denigrating any of our military is by skipping the entire post and seeing where I forgot to put the C indicating the church. It must be that the point really hit home. What have we seen from your churches regarding the WOT? The EOC hasn't said much, but they never do and they seem to be in agreement with the RCC. What have we seen from the RCC?

Did the Pope kiss the Koran before or after the war started?

Did the RCC take the position that this might not be a just war?

Did the RCC declare that muslims worship the same God as Christians?

Did the EOC express any outrage at these things?

Or maybe we decided to side with their enemies, and get involved in their local dispute, instead of minding our own business.

This is so silly it's hard to even respond to. Flying planes into the Twin Towers, bombing our ships, bombing our embassies killing our citizens changes this from any local dispute. If you can't see this, it's time to clean your glasses.

Are you going to call Gen Wesley Clark and tell him he is "accommodating" the enemy too because he is opposed to our senseless war in Iraq?

Yes!

You are shutting people up for speaking their mind because you disagree with their opinion.

How exactly is this happening? You seem to be able to speak just fine. It may not make any sense except on a DU thread, but nobody is stopping you from saying it.

Unfortunately, multidimensional weltanschauun is alien to so many one-dimentional individuals whose see only one side of the moon and therefore have nothing to compare it to.

Is this why American Exceptionalism is put down? Is this why those Protestant ancestors who created this country are mocked. Is it to hard to look at history objectively and acknowledge that the "Presbyterian Revolution" brought freedom to the world that never existed before?

Don't tell me shame on you. Look in the mirror and thank GOD that He choose to place us in a country that has the ability to do good in the world.

1,617 posted on 02/08/2008 9:57:16 AM PST by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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