[Quix]

Of course, I still differ with my starkly Calvinist and hyperCalvinist bros & Sis’s.

I believe ALL the Scriptures on BOTH SIDES OF THE predestination issue will be fulfilled. I think folks who have a compulsion to shove the whole of the New Testament to one BLACK/WHITE side of such are missing out on the WHOLE COUNSEL OF SCRIPTURE.

And, I am keenly aware of the SINGLE Scripture about God creating even the wicked for His purposes.

GIVEN ALL THAT . . .

I firmly believe that we shall find in eternity that God slating folks like Judas for hell unalterably . . . was a rather rare thing. That there was some aspect of doggedly, persistently, tenaciously, repeatedly choosing rebellion, idolatry and the like vs choosing God that resulted in folks joining satan and his angels in the abode created for them.

I’m not the least bit interested in renewing the Armenian sp? Calvinist ‘debate.’

I just want to register a caution regarding the seeming over-quickness to assert that God creates lots of people unalterably for hell. Just doesn’t jive with my reading of Scripture nor my understanding of God’s nature.

[irishtenor]

I, too, believe in the whole council of God. Our pastors preach from the OT and the NT. Let’s see, Sunday morning was John 4, and Sunday evening was Nehemiah 9. I will leave the rest to this, God will do with his creation as HE wills, and it may not be to OUR understanding. I leave it all up to God.