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email from Randall Easter | 25 January 2008 | Randall Easter

[Religion Moderator]

I’ve noticed that you have lied

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

The word "lie" attributes motive to the other poster, an intent to deceive.

[Mad Dawg]

The word "lie" attributes motive to the other poster, an intent to deceive.

Please view post # 49

Could you please say what you mean by "ecumenic"?

[Religion Moderator]

That post has already been reviewed. The term "lie" was directed to the establishment religious authority, attributing motives to it or them not the Freeper.

Ecumenic = concerned with promoting unity among churches or religions; "ecumenical thinking"; "ecumenical activities"; "the ecumenical movement" Princeton wordnet

[Between the Lines]

if you read the entire post by Randall you would see that he is distressed by what he sees in his own life and in the church he pastors.

I have read it and reread it and you are seeing something I am not. What caught my attention about the article was the fact that it appeared Randall was starting to get introspective about idolatry in his own church, but he stops just short of it and then goes back to what we can do to help those idolaters.

One would have to be delusional to deny that such things take place.

I did not deny that such things happen, just that we cannot know for sure what is in the hearts of the worshiper and therefor cannot determine if it is truly idolatry.

To the degree that the people doing such are affiliated with the RCC, the RCC ought to discipline them rather than defend them.

I think it would be wise to clean up our own house before concerning ourselves with what the Catholics should or should not do. Idolatry is just as rampant in our churches as it is the Catholic church, it is just not as visible.

[Quix]

Good points, imho.

[MarkBsnr]

***Soooo, what Romanist Council did Jesus and the Apostles fall back on to know what was Scripture?

is “Romanist” the preferred term now? What ever happened to “Papist”?***

You forget, my friend, that many of these folks believe that the KJV was complete, read by Jesus and the Apostles (in English), and hundreds of millions of them were kept in locked warehouses by the Church until liberated by the theological giants Luther and Calvin.

Further, they believe that the mutilated and vandalized versions of the Bible that they quote from were written as is, commanded by Jesus to have the content that they have, and the Catholic Church is the entity that added the Deuterocanonicals in reponse to the holy interventions of the Reformers. And the Restorationists. And every other brand spanking new theological giant who can put a different twist on a different set of out of context Biblical verse and hang out a shingle to con the rubes.

[Gamecock]

The OPC (to which she claims that she belongs)

DOC! When did you go OPC???

[the_conscience]

***is “Romanist” the preferred term now? What ever happened to “Papist”?***

Papist is still applicable. Romanists is a broader term that encompasses all the idolatries such as Papism, Mariology, the Mass, worshipping of Saints, etc.

***The rest of your question, like you tag line is silly***

I’d much rather be silly than blasphemously believe the Word of God only gains effectiveness with approval of man.

[Between the Lines]

Thanks, but when it comes to searching our own hearts and being introspective in our own church, I know that with you, I am preaching to the choir.

[Mad Dawg]

The term "lie" was directed to the establishment religious authority, attributing motives to it or them not the Freeper.

The post concluded:

Try another lie.

Rithup to that, the permitted restriction to characterization of one's opponent's religious authorities as liars is preserved. But "try another lie," poisons the well and characterizes the poster as lying.

[Religion Moderator]

"Try another lie" did not change the ownership of the alleged lie, which was previously claimed in the same post. It therefore does not characterize the poster as lying.

It does however "poison the well" - but posters should always remember that lurkers weigh such behavior against the one pouring the poison, not the one he is trying to administer it to.

It always backfires.

Or as some say, posters only use spitwads when they have no ammunition.

[Quix]

Trying to bring tears to my eyes

may or may not earn extra points. LOL.

Thanks for your kind words . . . and you succeeded, not that

that was your goal.

[papertyger]

...but posters should always remember that lurkers weigh such behavior against the one pouring the poison, not the one he is trying to administer it to.

See that Mad Dawg, cheaters NEVER prosper.

[papertyger]

I'd much rather be silly than blasphemously believe the Word of God only gains effectiveness with approval of man.

You're right. Who'd be dopey enough to believe that?

[MarkBsnr]

***I’m not about to concede that the RC edifice has a monopoly on “catholic.” ***

It’s not about you. It’s about God.

***I don’t think the whole edifice any longer qualifies as a bonafide Christian Church. ***

You are entitled to your opinion. But it’s just an opinion.

***That’s the REALITY from my perspective***

It’s your perspective.

***This is NOT some mutually flattering context of a cozy Parish hall or friendly BINGO game.

DEAL WITH IT. ***

Some of us are.

***This is a somewhat moderated free-for all of RELIGIOUS ideas, convictions, perspectives, realities etc. ***

There is only one Triune God. Jesus came down from Heaven, was made man, was born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried. On the third day, He rose again. He ascended into Heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again to judge the living and the dead.

And He established a teaching group known as the Apostles in order to bring His Good News of Salvation to all the world. You can either follow it, or else you proclaim to follow one of its documents, but not it, or follow something else entirely.

That’s it. An individual that believes different than the Church of Jesus Christ teaches does not follow Him. You are welcome to all the opinions that you may formulate, yet Christian is a description of those who follow Christ and His commands. That’s it.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Mark is again confusing what was said with what he says.

There is not an OPC anywhere near us, but when asked which denomination this baptized as an infant and life-long Presbyterian feels most comfortable with, I have always answered, the Orthodox Presbyterian Church.

While church affiliation is important, it is not the means of our salvation or the reason for our salvation which some misguided RCs believe. The Holy Spirit is the deliverer of God's gift of faith in Jesus Christ's sacrifice to the fallen sinner.

Some churches perceive God's grace more clearly than others, as these threads attest. Some churches very nearly obliterate God's word by the trappings of empty rituals and magical incantations and wooden statues and prayers to dead people.

I've sent Mark to the Westminster Confession of Faith, but sadly, he does not see the splendor of its Scriptural foundation.

I've also told Mark I'd probably feel comfortable worshiping in any Presbyterian church, any Reformed church, and most likely, almost any Protestant church where the word of God is preeminent.

Any church that adheres to the Bible cannot go too far astray. Any church that relegates the Bible to second place behind men and magisteriums is heading in the wrong direction.

So we preach the Gospel as God has commanded. It's up to God to open eyes and ears and to give the new heart.

Such a relief, eh, Gamecock? 8~)

[Manfred the Wonder Dawg]

Missler? Do you mean Church Missler? As I recall, he’s a dispensationalist and I put little stock in that theological construct. If another Missler, please help me understand of whom ye speak.

[Quix]

That’s it. An individual that believes different than the Church of Jesus Christ teaches does not follow Him.

We on this side of things do not, for a microsecond, believe that the 400 year-johnny-come-lately theological political power mongers in Rome founded THE Church that Jesus founded--at all. The solid historically accurate evidence indicates wholesale otherwise.

Jesus Himself said that those WHO LOVED HIM, WHO DID THE WILL OF THE FATHER were His disciples. That slices through a lot of the walls of the RC edifice 144 ways to Sunday and beyond. The New Testament is clear about those who believe that Jesus came in the flesh . . . etc. are in concorde with Holy Spirit. . . .

Given

HOLY SPIRIT ENLIVENED SIGNS FOLLOWING

MANY OTHER CLUSTERS OF PEOPLE WHO LOVE JESUS EARNESTLY AS FULLY AS THEY KNOW HOW . . .

God seems to disagree with that perspective.

I'll trust God's judgment in the matter over that of the RC magicsterical any day, week, month, year, decade, century, millenium.

[Quix]

Well said.

Thx.

[the_conscience]

***Who’d be dopey enough to believe that?***

Ask MarkBsnr.

“(I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)”