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email from Randall Easter | 25 January 2008 | Randall Easter

Posted on 01/27/2008 7:56:14 PM PST by Manfred the Wonder Dawg

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To: Uncle Chip
Oh Really!!! So just when is telling the truth to someone a violation of any commandment???

You seem to believe that you have a lock on Christian truth. It's clear from your demeanor, however, that you do not.

201 posted on 01/29/2008 6:20:10 AM PST by r9etb
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
Footnote to All Prayers

C.S.Lewis

He whom I bow to only knows to whom I bow
When I attempt the ineffable Name, murmuring Thou,
And dream of Pheidian fancies and embrace in heart
Symbols (I know) which cannot be the thing Thou art.
Thus always, taken at their word, all prayers blaspheme
Worshipping with frail images a folk-lore dream,
And all men in their praying, self-deceived, address
The coinage of their own unquiet thoughts, unless
Thou in magnetic mercy to Thyself divert
Our arrows, aimed unskilfully, beyond desert;
And all men are idolators, crying unheard
To a deaf idol, if Thou take them at their word.

Take not, O Lord, our literal sense. Lord, in thy great
Unbroken speech our limping metaphor translate.


202 posted on 01/29/2008 6:29:04 AM PST by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Quix

Sorry I wasn’t clear. I intended it as a joke.


203 posted on 01/29/2008 6:32:05 AM PST by Lord_Calvinus
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg

No my friend, your first post from Randall was pulled because it was venemous libels with no touchstone in the Truth. That would be, it was pulled, because it was an outright lie.


204 posted on 01/29/2008 6:35:19 AM PST by StAthanasiustheGreat (Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit)
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To: Forest Keeper; Dr. Eckleburg

***Instead, he relates what he saw with his own eyes in terms of actual PRACTICE by Catholics.***

Sometimes I wonder if Catholics really don’t know it is their own beliefs and practices which keep causing idolaters to pop up in their garden. Ranting about the “puppet master god of Calvin” doesn’t do anything except make Catholics look petty and silly. WE are not responsible for the Mary worshippers and Saint worshippers and Pope worshippers and idol worshippers that spring up in the Catholic garden.

Now, if Catholics start believing in TULIP’s, carrying “The Institutes,” and have a bobble-head Calvin on the dash of their cars.... (Its not like we don’t convert Catholics to the truth of Calvinism all the time.)


205 posted on 01/29/2008 6:42:40 AM PST by Lord_Calvinus
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To: Lord_Calvinus

No sweat.

Human communications tend to be imperfect routinely.


206 posted on 01/29/2008 6:45:48 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Uncle Chip

Soooo, what Romanist Council did Jesus and the Apostles fall back on to know what was Scripture?

Great question —

= =

INDEED.

Though I wouldn’t expect a quality answer until there’s ice skating in . . .


207 posted on 01/29/2008 6:47:59 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: r9etb
Oh Really!!! So just when is telling the truth to someone a violation of any commandment???

You seem to believe that you have a lock on Christian truth. It's clear from your demeanor, however, that you do not.

Oh really??? I never said that. So just how could it be clear?

Perhaps you would do better to read and respond to the words of others rather than purporting to have the ability to read their demeanors.

208 posted on 01/29/2008 6:55:29 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: G Larry; All; Dr. Eckleburg; wmfights; ScubieNuc; fortheDeclaration; DarthVader

What would have happened to any Israeli

. . . bowing down to, praying toward, prostrating himself in front of, focusing incessantly on . . . kissing, carrying around a replica thereof in his donkey cart . . . framing replicas of in his home in places of honore for rituals fo ‘adoration,’ ‘veneration,’ in a home focus . . . made hymns and poetry to and about . . . .

of the temple ornamentations?

Thank you for your blessings,
my faithful temple pomagranite.
Your rosey cheeks cheer me
daily as I dream of your
Precious juice and life giving
benefits. Thank you for your
hanging nearer my God to thee.

. . . . riiiiiggggghhhht

ZAP.

At a minimum there’d have been a new pile of stones.

= = = =

Now, dear Prottys, we’ll see how they rubberize themselves out of the truth about that. But, I’m confident that rationalizations spring eternal.


209 posted on 01/29/2008 6:55:33 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Uncle Chip
Perhaps you would do better to read and respond to the words of others rather than purporting to have the ability to read their demeanors.

I've read the posts, compared them to what I've observed in real life, and rejected the idiocy that attempts to pass itself off as a "manly" theological stand.

I have no time or patience for that kind of crap. Have a nice life.

210 posted on 01/29/2008 6:57:41 AM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb

It seems more than a little odd and concerning

when folks have endless patience for

Marion adorations . . .
Marion venerations . . .
Marion image building, polishing, embellishing . . .
Marion poetry writing . . .
Marion hymn writing and singing . . .
Marion rituals . . .
Marion blather . . .

but none for the truth about Mary and their practices related thereto.

Impressive.


211 posted on 01/29/2008 7:01:55 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Forest Keeper
I note that when you want to back up your claim that Calvin's God is not the God of Scripture you turn to the Catechism, not Scripture. Interesting.

Really? Why? As a good "Bible believing" Calvinist, there should not be one word of Scripture that your unfamiliar with. That being the case, what good would it do to use what you have already rejected or misinterpreted in an attempt to help you see the errors of your ways? No good at all, at least that has been my experience.

In any event, the author of the article does not comment so much on what the official position of your Church is via the Catechism. Instead, he relates what he saw with his own eyes in terms of actual PRACTICE by Catholics.

No, he relates what he imagines he sees with his eyes, what he expects to see and what he wants to see. He, like not a small number of the Protestant contingent here on FR seem to have the remarkable ability to read the hearts and minds of other people as they pray. Uncanny.

You little rant about the Churches teachings and the ability of the flock to adhere to those teachings is pathetic, but not unexpected from a Calvinist. The simple fact of the matter is that the Church, that is the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church, proclaims the faith, many if not most who call them selves "Catholic" conform themselves in not in action (thought they probably pray in earnest for the strength to turn from the sin that holds them back) at least in faith, to the teachings of Christs Church, some don't. The fact that some fail in some way to assent or conform them selves to the teachings of the Church have no influence on the truth of those teachings any more than the thousands of murders a year committed by people who call them selves "Christian" detract from the 10 Commandments.

212 posted on 01/29/2008 7:03:41 AM PST by conservonator (spill czeck is knot my friend)
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To: the_conscience
Soooo, what Romanist Council did Jesus and the Apostles fall back on to know what was Scripture?

is "Romanist" the preferred term now? What ever happened to "Papist"?

The rest of your question, like you tag line is silly.

213 posted on 01/29/2008 7:07:25 AM PST by conservonator (spill czeck is knot my friend)
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To: conservonator

So . . .

Is the contention now that RC edifice folks

NEVER

assess anyone else’s anything

based on the BEHAVIORS of said individuals?

Fascinating.


214 posted on 01/29/2008 7:14:42 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Lord_Calvinus
The TULIP is an abomination before God, the True God not the silly thing Calvin dreamed up. The evil weed appeals to the pride, the elitism of the quasi intellectual who piecemeal scripture in order to create for them selves an idol of smoke and mist that is their own vanity, robed in self righteousness , washed in the blood of a god who can’t create what the TULIP lover can’t conceive of. It’s a pathetic shell of a religion.

Thank God that every day, men and woman abandon the evil weed and the satanic verses of the Institutes and convert to Christ!

I'm working on my invectives just in case I decide I'm one of the elect and need to embrace reformed Calvinist theology.

215 posted on 01/29/2008 7:31:00 AM PST by conservonator (spill czeck is knot my friend)
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To: Quix
Is the contention now that RC edifice folks
NEVER
assess anyone else’s anything
based on the BEHAVIORS of said individuals?

I never employ superlatives.

216 posted on 01/29/2008 7:34:01 AM PST by conservonator (spill czeck is knot my friend)
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To: conservonator

. . . EXCEPT . . . when . . .

Convenient.


217 posted on 01/29/2008 7:38:55 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: conservonator

***Thank God that every day, men and woman abandon the evil weed and the satanic verses of the Institutes and convert to Christ!***

Oh, yeah, it’s REAL sporty in the Religion Forum, now.


218 posted on 01/29/2008 7:41:47 AM PST by Lord_Calvinus
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To: Quix

There is plenty of assessing going on in this forum and Protestants are doing their part to keep all that assessing according to templates of behavior.

It doesn’t serve truth or good purpose to assign all that assessin’ that’s goin’ on to just one “side”.

The place is fraught with marauders of all stripes.


219 posted on 01/29/2008 7:50:43 AM PST by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words:"It's too late"))
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To: Lord_Calvinus; Quix
Oh, yeah, it’s REAL sporty in the Religion Forum, now.

Relax, while I don't have any respect for Calvin, I do have fondness for reformed Christians. As a group, their command of the Pauline epistles is unsurpassed!

Also, I would never use hyperbole in any of my posts, ever.

220 posted on 01/29/2008 7:51:08 AM PST by conservonator (spill czeck is knot my friend)
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