Posted on 01/27/2008 7:56:14 PM PST by Manfred the Wonder Dawg
***Tell that to your church.***
The Church of Jesus Christ is telling ME. Reverse information flow, WM. I do not get to make up my own personal theology or have my own personal god created in my own image on the hall stand so that I can rub his head for luck as I walk by.
I don’t get to make the rules, or create the theology.
***The Roman church after gaining state recognition has always sought to centralize power in itself.***
An interesting statement on many levels.
May I ask how much power that you believe that the Roman Catholic Church has currently?
Is dying for a cause proof that it was true and right?
TThe mindset here is that of unbelief of the extent of Muslim occupation of the entire world.
They do not know of 6 centuries of Muslim occupation of Spain.
They do not know of the Muslim occupation of the regions best known to them as Albania/Kosovo.
They do not know of the Muslim occupation of the Holy Lands.
They do not know of the Muslim occupation of Turkey and most of the Middle East.
They do not know of the Muslim occupation of Egypt and all of North Africa. They have no idea where St. Augustine came from.
They have no idea of the Muslim occupation of Pakistan and Bangladesh.
They have no idea of the Muslim occupation of Burman and Southeast Asia.
They have no idea of the Muslim occupation of the Phillipines.
They have no idea of the Muslim occupation of Indonesia and Malaysia.
And, they have no idea whatsoever of the Muslim occupation of Dearborn, Michigan.
They are coming for you, people. The former Catholic stronghold of Hamtramck in Detroit has a mosque blaring out prayers six times a day, even though church bells are forbidden because they are religious.
They are coming. What you all going to do about it?
Patriotic? American? Responsible? How about just One-that-doesn't-break-the-law-and-jeoperdize-American-security-out-of-greed-in-order-to-stuff-it's-pockets-with-profits? Who cares what you call it? It's what it does or doesn't do that matters.
That was done by the Catholic Curch just because there were few renagde priests involved in that madness? Show me where the Catholic Church supported such genocide. Talk about a broad brush!
And you left out the Holy Land aka the Land of Israel in which the EO and RC Patriarchs side with the Muslims against the Jews on a daily basis.
They are coming for you, people. The former Catholic stronghold of Hamtramck in Detroit has a mosque blaring out prayers six times a day, even though church bells are forbidden because they are religious. They are coming. What you all going to do about it?
Just decide not to sell out like the Catholics of Hamtrammack.
In our community Catholic Charities has been sponsoring Muslim families from Bosnia and elsewhere for over a decade now -- thousands of them. So just who is the real problem here????
Obsfucations and slipping and sliding around is still not giving it a name.
Nor do you appear to offer even much clarity in what you’d prefer.
I’m beginning to wonder if the goal is there to even communicate at all beyond screaming at capitalism about greed and illegal aliens.
Offering nothing of substance as an alternative after repeated requests doesn’t speak very loudly to me about your own respect for your own position . . . or else it does . . . in a kind of obverse, upside down, paradoxical sort of way.
Perhaps it’s because there’s no real knowledge and confidence there about ANY ALTERNATIVE ‘system.’
Or perhaps because there’s a fairly reasonable and sure knowledge that virtually the whole of FR would reject whatever alternative might be offered to capitalism.
Once again . . . avoidance of answering the question is pretty much a cheap sort of reply, to me. Actually, it scarcely qualifies as much of a reply at all, to me.
"a few renegade priests" -- 500,000 Orthodox Serbs???? and all of this going on only a few miles from the Vatican and the Vicar of Christ know nothing about it???? LOLOL
I suggest you go broad brush up on the Croatian Catholic Ustashi, then that mass murdering frequent visitor to the Vatican named Anton Pavelich, then his immediate superior and collaborator Archbishop Alois Stepinac convicted after the war and then rewarded with a Cardinal's hat, and finally all those other Croat Catholic prelates with blood on their hands who were whisked away down those infamous Vatican Ratlines after the war. You're right -- no Vatican connection here -- keep moving along.
You are even out of touch with your fellow Orthodox Serbs. They know the truth, so why don't you????
This is because we reach out to everyone in need out of Love, and in turn we pray that our example of Love will open their hearts so we can minister them.
A while back on another religious forum a protestant brother told me that while he was working at a homeless shelter that he observed that the homeless people would not show up when a certain group of protestants were working at the shelter and they would show up in large numbers when the Catholic community was there.
He was told by the homeless people that they felt threatened by th the constant pounding of scripture versus being thrown at them to the point it made them feel belittled.
He went on to say that the Catholic’s simply Loved them and humbled themselves in the way they served them.
This, my friend is Christian Love.
Love is Not one’s ability to choose whom to love and to force the Bible on someone!
I wish you Peace of mind!
They are coming for you, people. The former Catholic stronghold of Hamtramck in Detroit has a mosque blaring out prayers six times a day, even though church bells are forbidden because they are religious. They are coming. What you all going to do about it?
Catholic Charities in Hamtrammack probably sponsored them.
stfassisi says that we should LOVE them. They LOVED them in Hamtrammack and now there is no one left up there to LOVE them any more.
“And you left out the Holy Land aka the Land of Israel in which the EO and RC Patriarchs side with the Muslims against the Jews on a daily basis.”
This seems to be a regular refrain of yours. UC, you haven’t a clue who those Orthodox and Latin Catholic people in Israel are do you? Do you think that they are people who sort of moved in drooling like the evangelical tourists who infest the Holy Land these days, wandering around like livestock, wide eyed, clutching at their approved versions of the bible and looking for red calves? They are, in fact, people who have been Christians for 2000 years. The Latin and Greek hierarchs there are the hierarchs of those people. Those people are Christian Palestinians. Whom do you suggest they support, UC? The truth is they simply have wanted to be left alone...but neither the Mohammedans, with the assistance of the Bush Administration nor the Jews, with the assistance of the Bush Administration and the money and encouragement of you American Protestants, will leave them alone.
“You are even out of touch with your fellow Orthodox Serbs. They know the truth, so why don’t you????”
At first I was astonished that you would say that to a Serb...but then I remembered that you are an American Protestant, truly one of the elect, who know everyone’s history better than the people who lived it, what’s good for everyone better than they do and even why you’re right and they are wrong about the religion they preserved for 1500 years before anyone heard of Luther or Calvin.
This is the attitude that creates the hate!
On the last day He will say to those on His right, “whatever you did to the least of these, you did to Me, and He will also say to those on His left, whatever you neglected to do for the least of these, you neglected to do it for Me.”
***Are you saying that the Reformed do not, for example, steal, because it no longer brings them that instant gratification?***
All people sin, it is our natural state. Whether it is stealing, adultery, ignoring God, worshipping idols, or coveting your neighbor’s assets, we all sin. No one is exempt, no one is superior. All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. If you say you have no sin, well, you have already broken one of the commandment :>)
With God, we can ignore the base joys, the instant gratification, in exchange for the greater joy of following Christ. We don’t always do that, but with Christ we have the ability.
Take it up with Mark — he asked the question.
The muslims are great at being nice, until there are enough of them that they don't have to anymore.
You guys would scream bloody murder if we distorted your view of God.
***“Sin is not wrong if you are of the elect, doncha know? It is merely a step along the way to one’s salvation and if it affects that majority bound for hell, it is of no consequence.”***
Not one of us has ever said anything of the like.
The others would be non-Christians, not you guys. If one is a Christian then he has the same access to the Holy Spirit as any Reformer. There is no exclusivity. Of course with different Christian faiths, the mileage may tend to vary, but we don't have anything that isn't available to all other Christians.
Does this mean we are not to feed their starving children and not try and be examples of Christ to them?
There would not be people such as Mother Teresa if one would to choose love to be conditional.
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