Baptisms for the Dead

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[Maelstorm]

Baptisms for the Dead

Jesus Christ taught that baptism is essential to the salvation of all who have lived on earth (see John 3:5). Many people, however, have died without being baptized. Others were baptized without proper authority. Because God is merciful, He has prepared a way for all people to receive the blessings of baptism. By performing proxy baptisms in behalf of those who have died, Church members offer these blessings to deceased ancestors. Individuals can then choose to accept or reject what has been done in their behalf.

[MHGinTN]

Just keep touting the heresies in Mormonism as if they are truth. You will do us all a favor by continuing to spread for open examination the false doctrines such as baptizing for the dead.

Every one of you Mormons who claim Paul was arguing FOR baptizing for the dead are instantly defeated by the pronouns Paul used, for he used 'they' not 'we' or 'you'. Why? Because he was contrasting Christianity witht he pagan beliefs in the Corinth area such as being baptized for dead people. If this practice were so important, do you really think God would have hidden it in a single vague verse in the New testament and not proclaimed it from several witnesses to the Resurrection of Jesus (the Apostles, for those in RioLenda)? Twisting and torturing the scriptures is the only way Mormonism can even try to claim it is biblical. For months FR has been treated to the misuse and out of context manipulations of scripture by Mormonism apologists.

Mormonism apologists want folks to accept the heresy of baptising for the dead based upon a single misinterpreted passage, just as Mormonism apologists want to base their heretical belief in 'becoming gods' upon the misinterpretation of a single psalm where 'bad judges' are referred to by Jesus using the phrasing of 'gods' ... and the Old Testament is very very clear that God is ONE, not many as in 'gods'. The only means to use the bible in Mormonism is to denigrate the Bible as authoritative (as far as it is translated correctly!). The only way to recruit weak Christians is to claim they are not saved until they have 'the fullness of the Joe Smith restoration gospel' with all the intrinsic heresies and lies and false doctrines therein!... not to mention the lives of Smith and Young as historic record of their hypocrisies.

Yes, continue to spread the heresies of Mormonism at FR for all the readers to see the shocking lies at the heart of Mitt Romney's religious beliefs. It helps us to understand why he has so little restraint to deceive regarding pro-life and homosexual enabling he has such a clear history of. So long as some freepers take the time to expose the false nature of these heresies you Mormons keep plastering up on threads, you will do more to end the Romney deceptions than to enable his deception into the nomination. So please, keep posting! FreeRepublic is not populated by weak Christians. You are having a substantial effect at FR which is read by millions ... and it will help to keep Romney from deceiving his way to the nomination.

[greyfoxx39]

I defined what I was calling a Jihadist, one trying to destroy another by religious reticule. What other reason is there for all this derogatory attention to Mormonism on a political forum?

The definition of free speech as terrorism is the refuge of those who can't or won't explain or defend their positions. Mitt's candidacy is the factor that brings mormonism into the arena of political discussion.

Jim Robinson has already addressed the discussion on this forum. HERE:

Un-American? America was founded on the concepts of liberty and freedom, including freedom of religion, freedom of the press and freedom of speech. There is nothing un-American about criticising candidates or any facet of their lives including their personal philosophies or their religious beliefs. It's a guaranteed freedom. Perhaps the RINO Romney and his supporters would prefer living in a closed society where criticism and free speech are not allowed? If a candidate can't take the heat, he should stay out of the kitchen!
118 posted on 12/26/2007 9:23:33 PM MST by Jim Robinson

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He obviously does not agree with your description of opposing Romney as the actions of "jihadists".

[broncobilly]

I think you are asking this question to lead to a “gotcha.”

So let me put it this way. If entering into the Kingdom of Heaven requires us to confess Jesus as your Savior, I would say the confession of Jesus might be considered the necessary passwords.

And if someone murdered Joseph Smith, it wouldn’t surprise me if God made one the conditions of his entering into the Kingdom of Heaven going to JS and asking forgiveness. The same might be said for any other person.

[broncobilly]

I haven’t even told you I am a Mormon.
And what church do you belong to?

[MHGinTN]

Find for us in the BM where JoeSmith’s and BringumYoung’s polygamy is authorized. Which side of your mouth will you try next?

[broncobilly]

Yes, continue to spread the heresies of Mormonism at FR for all the readers to see the shocking lies at the heart of Mitt Romney’s religious beliefs. It helps us to understand why he has so little restraint to deceive regarding pro-life and homosexual enabling he has such a clear history of. So long as some freepers take the time to expose the false nature of these heresies you Mormons keep plastering up on threads, you will do more to end the Romney deceptions than to enable his deception into the nomination. So please, keep posting! FreeRepublic is not populated by weak Christians. You are having a substantial effect at FR which is read by millions ... and it will help to keep Romney from deceiving his way to the nomination.

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Mormons are defending themselves.
Why would you expect them to do otherwise?

[1000 silverlings]

Don't digress. I don't believe Mormon doctrine, do you?

I have been here long enough to see how "Look over here" and "let's go down a rabbit hole" is played. Stick to the post at hand. You are in the religion forum, defend the beliefs you bring

[MHGinTN]

Ah yes, you’re such victims.

[1000 silverlings]

lol

[Gumdrop]

“Others were baptized without proper authority”

Can someone explain what is meant by this phrase? Thanks.

[betty boop]

ONLY by Him and through Him are all things made.

Amen.

God bless you for your faithful witness, dear MHGinTN!

[Marysecretary]

Agreed! Jesus has always been the only way.

[1000 silverlings]

My understanding is that only the Mormon priesthood can channel the Holy Spirit now. He comes and goes on their say-so. No other priesthood, including the New Testament priesthood of believers that is clearly taught in the bible, has any authority, so all baptisms outside of Mormonology are invalid.

This is a belief the Mormons hold in spite of the scripture that teaches that the Holy Spirit is from God and blows wherever He will. No one catches Him in a bottle

[Palladin]

I suppose this is a very comforting practice (baptism of dead ancestors) to many people, to assure that families will all be together in the hereafter.

I don’t see any harm in it. As an old friend used to say “It may not help, but it couldn’t hurt!”

[MHT]

Gee--another weird thing about the Mormons. Add this to Golden Tablets, magic spectacles, Jesus visiting native Americans, and gods living on other planets outside our galaxy, ex-husbands being able to block their ex-wives' entry into heaven--and Mitt is "proud" of his religion?

I never had any pre-conceived notions about this faith and thought it was just another option in experiencing Christianity, but his entry into national politics has exposed me to things about Mormonism I never really wanted to learn.

[1000 silverlings]

they want to pretend that Jesus is their savior and they are “real” Christians. No true Christian puts anyone between the believer and Jesus Christ, nor do they believe that they save themselves. So in effect, Mormons deny the saving grace of God and Christ’s work on the cross. None of it is sufficient, they must do it themselves. They are closer to Buddhism in this than Christian

[broncobilly]

First. I am not trying to suppress your freedom of speech. I am challenging your false information, and I am challenging the proprity of making Romney’s religion such an issue.
It is you who is trying to suppress freedom of speech by bringing Jim into this post.

Second, if Romney’s religion is so important an issue, why are we not discussing Giuliani’s Catholicism and Huckabee’s Baptist beliefs. Could Huckabee’s belief that all you have to do is say “I believd” to be saved be at the root of his eagerness to pardon all the criminals and open the doors to illegal aliens? Could his belief in “cheap redemption” be the reason we can’t trust him in the oval office, for fear that he might give away the store? Has he been in Sunday School so much he still has a naive view of the evil in the world? That could mean that we should never allow an orthodox Christian in the oval office. Why don’t we discuss that for a while?

[Gumdrop]

Thanks for the explaination. If you are correct, it would help me to understand why they “rebaptize” dead people.

I’m a genealogist, and about 25 years ago I was looking through some records on a microfilm; It is called the IGI [part of the Mormon records that are part of the Genealogy library in Salt Lake City - now available on the internet]; I came across an ancestor of mine who lived in the 18th century in Germany. He was baptized/”sealed” in the LDS faith in the 1960’s. I have always found it humorous that this ancestor of mine who has been dead for about 230 years was suddenly baptized as a Mormon. This ancestor was a bona fide Catholic all his life and was buried from his Catholic parish.

[1000 silverlings]

They think they are doing all of us favors. However, it is unbiblical and sheer vanity on their part that they, mere men, control God. People are baptised through the Holy Spirit, not by men with secret passwords. This is folly on their part and further displays the arrogance they have towards God whom they consider to be a mortal just like themselves.

[carumba]

How about using your OWN brain for once. It's obvious to anyone with two functioning brain cells that Smith ripped off a lot of the King James Bible and lied about doing so. A classic symptom of being in a cult is having control over the cult member's thining, i.e. don't let them think for themselves.

I am using my brain. Yes, Joseph Smith quoted Isaiah, as a witness and prophecy of messiah. He didn't lie about it he produced the work and let the world judge. I can say that I have more than the required number of brain cells.