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To: cthemfly25
I said the book has a Catholic perspective.

You can give the story any perspective you want according to what you bring to the story. That is exactly what Tolkien said. He made a distinction between allogory and myth. You are confusing the two.

And here’s your silly and untenable position:

That is not a valid argument. You are once again engaging in a fallacy. You do not have a valid argument.

your own ignorance or anti-catholic slant of life

Once again, you are engaging in a fallacy. Name-calling is not a valid argument.

So to you Tokien’s masterpiece could have been written by a buddhist...you have now engaged in existentialist blather.

Once again you are engaging in a fallacy.

part of your resistance to learning is your resistance to the notion of Tolkien’s Catholicism or perhaps a resistance to me personally.

I have gone out of my way to quote Tolkien himself about the way to approach his story. All you have is the opinion of other people about Tolkien. I have asked you quote Tolkien himself about the meaning of his story. But you have not done so.

If you can respond with a valid argument, well reasoned and without fallacies, without name-calling, then please do so.

88 posted on 12/24/2007 6:25:24 PM PST by stripes1776 ("I will not be persuaded that any good can come from Arabia" --Petrarca)
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To: stripes1776

Stripes-—you’re pulling my leg i hope. I gave you Tolkien’s own words and i’ll repeat them again: “Lord of the Rings is of course a fundamentally religious and Catholic work; unconsciously so at first, but consciously in the revision...For the religious elelment is absorbed into the story and the symbolism.”

Stipes, would it be name calling or fallacy to observe if your anti-catholicism poisoned your lenses. But, i’ll leave you more from our shared acquantence with this cherished author—in his words of course, not that you could be bothered by that :)

In responding to a point by one such as you stripes who suggest to Tolkien that myths, though beautiful, are ultimately just lies, JRRT said: “Not merely the abstract thoughts of man but also his imaginative inventions must originate with God, and in consequence reflect something of eternal truth. In making a myth, in practising ‘mythopoeia’ and peopling the world with elves and dragons and goblins, a story-teller...is actually fulfilling God’s purpose, and reflecting a splintered fragment of the the true light.”

I know stripes your response to JRRT will be “fallacy” and reductionism. But that is the genius of JRRT—that even those set about to destroy Truth, like Hollywood and yourself, served Truth by enjoying JRRT’s wonderful masterpiece about good and evil, morality, hope, faith and self sacrifice. As i look back on your posts however i have become suspicious that you have watched the movie and have never read the book, much like you have never read my responses to you. I’m afraid then that JRRT’s own words will have no passion for you. Best of fallacies to you striper.


89 posted on 12/27/2007 10:30:44 AM PST by cthemfly25
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