Incredibile! Italian Diocese Settles the Problem: All Traditional Masses Forbidden

Rorate Caeli ^ | 11/28/2007 | "New Catholic"

[ArrogantBustard]

Hope he gets a job of picking lint off of chasubles.

Wow. Are you sure he's competent to do that?

[magisterium]

You are correct. When you think about it, it becomes clear that an overemphasis on “collegiality” is probably the root cause to nearly all of the proliferation of heterodoxy over the last 40 years. Perhaps, in the “old days,” there was almost no consideration given at all to the legitimate concept of collegiality, but, in correcting that problem, the baby got thrown out with the bathwater. The end result has been chaos, with renegade and semi-renegade bishops dismantling doctrine and liturgical practices for decades now. Benedict clearly wants to rein in that sort of thing, but he must be consistent in the firm and decisive applications of his corrective actions.

[maryz]

I keep being ASTOUNDED by the treachery of Bishops who oppose the Pope.

It's been a looong time since I had any history courses, but my rusty memory is that the history books are full of such conflicts, e.g., bishops siding with secular rulers against the Pope . . . Lots of people here know (and remember) lots more history than I do and can be more specific.

Granted it's a weird feeling to see something "just like in the history books" -- one would have hoped (and maybe expeced) we'd moved beyond it. :(

[Mrs. Don-o]

Yeah, think of all the English Bishops turning traitor except John Fisher. And all the Apostles high-tailing it except John.

[Antoninus]

I must be really naive, because I keep being ASTOUNDED by the treachery of Bishops who oppose the Pope.

The truly astounding thing is how little support they have from the laity--particularly among the laity less than 65 years old.

Our parish will have it's first regular Extraordinary Mass this Sunday. I'll be looking to see how many show up.

[steve86]

Yeah, the TLM scares them right out of their vestments!

The old liturgy will triumph in the end.

[steve86]

I regularly pray for good attendance and hopes yours builds over time.

Side note: Mrs. Don-O is a great poster and lifelong Pro-Lifer at the national level and good to see her posts here.

[Antoninus]

Just because the mass is in Latin doesn't mean that the priest must turn his back to the congregation. They can modify that part of the ritual, and he can face the congregation. I don't know that I'd like to look at the priest's back for an hour.

Well, I don't like looking at the back of the old guy in the pew in front of me either. Perhaps I could ask him to turn around, too? Or maybe we could just sit in a big circle and sing Kumbaya so that no one need see anyone else's back.

This terminology ("turning his back") is almost always used by liturgical wreckovators. In no sense is the priest "turning his back on the people". In every sense, the priest is facing with the people toward God. It allows the focus of the Mass to be on God, not on a performer on the altar/stage.

[Antoninus]

I regularly pray for good attendance and hopes yours builds over time.

Well, we've had 300-ish people in our Latin Mass classes building up to this Sunday, so I reckon we'll have a good showing. Prayers are, of course, appreciated.

[steve86]

I don’t know why we have only 20. Very nice chapel and altar, too. The Novus Masses are packed around here. We need more education about the virtues of the Traditional Mass and maybe a shove from the Holy Spirit!

[Antoninus]

I don’t know why we have only 20. Very nice chapel and altar, too. The Novus Masses are packed around here. We need more education about the virtues of the Traditional Mass and maybe a shove from the Holy Spirit!

We have an unbelievable priest. He's a dynamo. If all were right in the Church, he would have gotten kicked up to bishop 10 years ago. As it is, we thank God he has remained right here.

[steve86]

As has been pointed out, the Mass is offered to God and in the proper Mass the priest faces the altar as it represents the location of God. Why do your whinings concerning looking at someone’s back have any significance whatsoever? They are as insignificant as you compared to God. Why is your mind on the back of the priest instead of God anyway?

[BlackElk]

TC: That would be schismatic and excommunicated renegades of the SSPX cult, nothing “traditionalist” about defiance of papal authority unless one adheres to the SSPX schism or is a “reformed” Christian. May Benedict XVI mete out the same punishment to this Monsignor Giusto and to rebellious bishops who resist his Motu Proprio as JP II meted out to Marcel LeFebvre and his co-conspirators in ecclesiastical crime. Simple burning at the stake is too good for Giusto OTOH and the SSPX cult on the other. As to the ordained, what part of their VOW before God of obedience to their legitimate ecclesiastical superiors do they fail to comprehend????

[BlackElk]

Would that it were a JPII/BXVI Reign of Terror! We could use a thoroughgoing purge of miscreants of all sorts and to rebuild from a harder core.

[AliVeritas]

Ahhh... the smoke of Satan.

[Stingray51]

In no sense is the priest "turning his back on the people".

That's right. I can't remember where I first saw it put this way but... does an army squad take a hill with its squad leader walking backwards in front of them? Of course not! The troops follow the leader into battle with everyone facing the same way.

Also note that the priest does spend a fair bit of the time facing the people. It's not all facing the altar.

[ELS]

UPDATE:

[Pope Benedict XVI] Appointed Msgr. Vittorio Lupi of the clergy of the diocese of Ventimiglia- Sanremo, Italy, vicar general, as bishop of Savona-Noli (area 400, population 148,808, Catholics 146,410, priests 134, permanent deacons 8, religious 458), Italy. The bishop-elect was born in Ceriana, Italy in 1941 and ordained a priest in 1964.

And over on Rorate Caeli:

"May he be obedient to the letter and to the mens of the motu proprio Summorum Pontificum..."

[maryz]

That was fast! :)

I can think of a few others who could stand being replaced!