Protestants applaud the ordination of a flagrantly practicing lesbian.
Posted on 11/19/2007 7:48:08 AM PST by Alex Murphy
Hmmmmmmm?
Oh, yes. That would be the fault of the existing protestant communities ... that advertise themselves as "welcoming" to perverts.
Read the link.
Don't fear the truth.
Protestants applaud the ordination of a flagrantly practicing lesbian.
How many "Protestant communities" do you believe are "welcoming" to perverts, AB? Here's a clue.
Hmmmmm?
Log. Eye.
Deal with it.
Bustard out.
Read the link.
I read the article when it was posted, so I have no reason to read it again. There are reasons I'm no longer in communion with them. I left that synod decades ago, before they allowed female ministers, much less tolerated and/or celebrated some kinds of sin.
I expect the synod will split in the near future & it will split due to things like congregations celebrating some kinds of sin instead of calling for repentance & the hierarchy's failure to address it appropriately.
Do you think it appropriate to "welcome perverts" who want to be healed or do you think some kinds of sins make some people untouchables. Their sins are worse than yours?
Don't fear the truth.
I don't fear it. You don't see me trying to circle the wagons when the hierarchy that I'm under fails to address a problem appropriately, claiming "the other guy" is doing it too or there are others who are worse.
My standards are higher than just better than the other guys. I've been disappointed by the constant finger pointing by Catholics, because it tells me that some in the laity are willing to settle for just better than the worst.
2) Pointing out the duplicity and dishonesty of the MSM isn't "circling the wagons". It's pointing out the truth. Deal with it.
3) Believing the duplicitous and dishonest drivel from the MSM, because it happens to confirm one's prejudices, is stupid.
4) Finger pointing? The masters of finger-pointing are protestant.
Again:
Log. Eye.
Deal with it.
Bustard out.
There, fixed it for you. And how many of your priests and bishops were defrocked for their sexual sins?
Murphy out.
However, contrary to what you guys seem to believe, the flushing of this into the open is good news, not bad news for the Catholic Church. We're not a corporation which depends on favorable PR. The world already hated us anyway and those men and women of goodwill outside and inside the Church can see this scandal for what it is and what caused it. We're the Mystical Body of Christ and the exposing of this corruption will help immensely in bringing it back to health. Every sodomizer or molester who is removed from ministry is a positive step to reinvigorating the sanctity and evangelical vigor of the Church.
Pile on all you want. The Church today is a healthier, holier entity than it was in 2001 before all this broke. We may be financially poorer for it, but there's a school of thought which says that material wealth is an obstacle, not an aid in spreading the Gospel and that poverty is something which the US Church needs to rediscover.
Is it generally accepted that such clergy sexual abuses occurred only in the 1960’s? Some have suggested that religious life has been a safe haven for such behavior for centuries. Could that be true? How far back in religious history might that homosexual/pedophile behavior extend?
Of course not, but this article specified that most of the incidents involved in this settlement occurred in the 1960's.
I think there was a big "bulge" in the number of such incidents globally in the late 1950's through about 1980. It had to do with homosexual men looking for "cover" in the Catholic priesthood, and and a high population of liberals in positions of power in seminaries, orders, and dioceses enabling them to do so.
Part of the reason the problem has lessened since 1980 is paradoxically that homosexual men aren't looking for "cover" as much anymore. Many of the liberals have retired or died, and of course the public attention to the problem has (finally!) dramatically increased the church's vigilance, to the point where it's gotten somewhat ridiculous in places. (Fact: parents of kids in some Catholic schools now have to have criminal background checks before they can drive kids on a field trip.)
Keep in mind that there were many more ordinations to the priesthood in the US during the period 1950 to 1965 than either before or since.
So if we just label the seminary deans who recommended, and the bishops who knowingly ordained, homosexual men to the priesthood in contravention of specific orders from Rome to the contrary as "theologically liberal apostates," (which is an absolutely accurate label for some of them, BTW) we're off scott-free, in your view?
Who knew?
It seems to be the modus operandi for Catholics on Free Republic. How many times have FRCatholics told me that such people aren't really Catholic? If lay Catholics get to pick-and-choose who the "real Catholics" are based on doctrine and behavior [i.e. beyond whether the Jesuits and pedophile-supporting priests bishops are still in communion with Rome], why can't Protestants claim the same ground rules to decide whether homosexual and lesbian pastors are really Protestant, i.e. whether they're adhering to the appropriate denominational charters/confessions?
As someone who straddles the Catholic & protestant worlds I sadly agree.
This is a crime of trust, and actually worse because of that breaking of trust. This is like the police coming to your home, pointing a gun at you, robbing your place. They are supposed to be the protectors, not the criminals!
Catholic housecleaning vs moslems, atheists, mindhead schientology or mormonism...
Catholic housecleaning vs blowhard protestant rhetoric which serves no purpose save to confuse and obfuscate the holy spirit from mens minds....
Not much of a choice in the short or long run...
If you were trying to be useful or help me become a better Catholic, you failed miserably.
Not to mention your whole post was not even relevant to the comment I made, nor the one I was responding to.
Still playing that disingenuous card again Alex.
You certainly don’t know.
OCP?
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