Posted on 11/14/2007 8:28:07 AM PST by fortcollins
I would say all those states except West Virginia have the highest percentages of Mormons also. I wonder if there is any correlation there too.
The "Free" in Free Republic does not refer to an unfettered right to post whatever you want. It refers to the "Free Republic" that conservatives seek to preserve and restore.
My motivation is to spread the Word as I see it coming from only the Bible and help you reach salvation. It is ultimately still your choice.
I also cannot support Romney based on his beliefs in a system I find faulty and untrue that could bleed over into his political career when under pressure. Same goes for people I deem unbelievers or apostates or whatever ( Rudy ). I do not expect my candidate to be “Bible thumper” but I do want one with a belief system built on Judeo-Christian doctrine just like the doctrine my country was founded on. Hence I will not vote for a Muslim, JW, Hindu et. al., but that is just me.
Hope to “debate” again. God Bless.
seven,
Though we disagree on mormonism & Romney, I know we agree
on many conservative issues. I wish you the best. I second
that you are one of the more reasoned folks in mormonism on
this board... even when you are arguing a falsehood and
don’t realize it. :-)
I’ll miss you too.
best,
ampu
Your reference is about Mormon baptism... and is correct. Where does it mention the Baptists?
Best luck sevenbak. We’ll see you “bak.” Remember that after the primaries everyone will likely be on the same side with “anybody but Hillary” at the forefront . . . if Hunter or Thompson is nominated. I think with Guilianni there will be a minority that bolts (possibly made up for with a crossover vote from some of the conservative / pro-war Dems) and with Romney there will be a minority that bolts (likely not made up for in any way and an almost sure loss in the general election). Huckabee does not compute for me. He seems like the only left wing believer in the race . . . like what the Democrat candidates would like to make us think they are when they make hypocritical nods to being religious. . .
Anyway, see you soon!
1-Well, Seven, it has been educational. I’m happy to answer your question. I will do anything I can to deny Romney the Republican nomination because he is a sure loser against Hillary and I believe HIS beliefs and loyalty to “the kingdom of z(Z)ion” would override his loyalty to our country.
R-As a former m(M)ormon, I have insight into the actual effects of the m(M)ormon culture on those in it, and those outside it.
A-Your sound like King Herod he too did not understand that the Lord’s Kingdom is not of this world! This gives me insight as to why one would fall away...
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2-As to this, “since FR has become not so free, where those who don’t support Fred 100 percent and post things against him are banned or suspended nearly at the drop of the hat, I must temporarily depart.”
R-Your memory is faulty if you can’t remember the posters banned because they disputed the m(M)ormon propaganda posted on these threads, and when baited into flame wars, were the ones who were booted.
A- I don’t recall you being involved Foxx, but I do know there were also LDS folks lost in that Scrimmage too.
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3-It(f) FR ever became a place where the spirit of the Lord was made manifest instead of the spirit of contention, I might find it a more worthwhile endeavor
R-FR is not a religious site. There are hundreds of m(M)ormon apologetic sites where you will not be challenged. If you haven’t noticed, just about EVERY point of view is challenged here at one time or another.
A-So truth is not your goal just a place to vent!
R-reply
A-answer
And scripture defines prophet the same way: "Prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit." - 2Pet 1:21
If Mormon prophets speak uninspired words, then they are not prophets of God, but prophets of their own whims.
I mean, what's the point of calling yourself a prophet if you don't claim to speak inspired words?
Do Mormon prophets normally let their listeners know when they are speaking inspired words or not?
Or is it left to future Mormon generations to make that determination based on the level of difficulty required to explain the weirdness of what was spoken by the prophet? (ref: Young's Adam-God speech, prophesies that the moon is inhabited, ad infinitum)
This gives me insight as to why one would fall away...
Does this mean anything to you, resty?
"Attributing motives and other types of reading minds of another poster are “making it personal.”
Everyone: remember that the open threads on the Religion Forum are like a town square. They are NOT ecumenical. Expect your confession and religious authorities to be ridiculed, criticized, condemned, etc. on open threads.
Closed threads (devotionals, prayer threads and caucuses) are "safe harbor." Challenges are not allowed there.
Posters who are easily offended should stay on the closed threads.
Once you are Saved in spirit with profession of faith in The Redeemer and faithe in His transforming pwoer, GOD comes in and you cannot happily live life like a hedonistic pig or an ‘all that you can do’ wallower in self pride. Sadly, Mormons have been lied to by the father of lies through his servant, Joe Smith, and are under the mistaken impression that they can behave like the character of God without the Life of God in their human spirit to transform their human soul.
‘The dog ate my homework’ plea ...
Wow, resty. Who composed that reply for you. That isn’t your style at all. It seems the dyslexia has gone away! Praise the Lord!!
It FR ever became a place where the spirit of the Lord was made manifest instead of the spirit of contention, I might find it a more worthwhile endeavor,
As greyfoxx39 stated in his reply "FR is not a religious site.". If you are looking for LDS religious discussion I invite you to browse www.ldsblogs.org. Be warned though the "Bloggernacle" as they call it is a good portion liberal but 90% of the conversations are LDS religious in nature and not political.
We also have LDS Caucus threads here, while not very popular are generally honored.
As far as the spirit being made manifest I can say that many times the spirit of the Lord has been made manifest here at FR. Not all the time in religious threads such as this one but even in news threads. Some of the goodness I have seen here at FR tells me that even if some of us don't believe in the same religion most of us do walk in the light of Christ.
As far as the spirit of contention I will agree that some posters whom will remain nameless have only one goal in these threads and that is to stir up contention. Others whom you and I may disagree with do have honest questions and honest points. They may have been misinformed or haven't been told correctly. The spirit of contention isn't the spirit of disagreement or the spirit of debate. The spirit of contention is those that even if you agree with them on a point they will still tear it down. Those guys are usually trolls and after a while you'll know their names.
As far as religious discussions go I will tell you that through many of these discussions my Testimony has actually be strengthened by things fellow LDS members have said and also strengthened by things that non-LDS and anti-LDS (seperate classifications) have said. Colorcountry and Colofornian have both done this at some point in time as well as some others.
The real problem I have is when people can't seperate Romney and Mormon. Take this thread for example. It is a thread on Mormonism. You can fully expect religious questions, debate, arguements etc. However some have to bring Romney in.
Another article might be about Romney and never even mention his religion yet some will try to turn it into a debate weather Mormons are Christians or not, even though it had nothing to do with the article.
The third kind is an article on Romney and religion. Of course this is going to bring out the zealots on both sides. And you, me, everyone makes the choice weather or not we step into the much.
Some days I'm just not in the mood to deal with any of them, others I'll jump in with both hands swinging.
Oh and BTW I don't support Romney in the primaries, but if he does get the nom then I will. Anyone but Rudy, McCain, or Paul.
and since FR has become not so free, where those who don’t support Fred 100 percent and post things against him are banned or suspended nearly at the drop of the hat, I must temporarily depart.
I don't know anything about this. We have Hunter, Romney, Tancredo, Thompson and a few other backers here. Now if you're backing McCain, Rudy, or Ron Paul yea you might have problems. Especially Ron Paul cause well that guys tin foil hat nuts.
Don't let the word 'Free' confuse you. FR is also a PRIVATE enterprise. Jim Rob could ban everyone that uses the letter 'X' if he wanted to. If it was 'Free' in the sence you alluded to then the moonbats and libs that occasionally infiltrate our ranks would run amoke instead of being contained.
In the end of it all no matter what your religious beliefs are, we here at FR are all conservative. Though I may not agree with Resolute Conservative's, Elsie's, or Colofornian's (and others) religious views I'm fairly positive when the time comes to push a button, punch a hole, or flip a lever their going to be doing it with conservative values in mind and not religious beliefs.
My brother did have a very short stint as a Baptist and did get baptized but I wasn't sure if it was required.
Catholics recognize baptisms in the Trinity.
Me speling sux don’t mind it pelase
That is one among many other questions I can't wait to ask Him about. Until then, I simply trust He is doing what is best for those He loves.
Hmmmmm.....sounds suspiciously like works to me!
So... what’s your issue with me? That’s the same response I gave...
BTW, all religions, from my point of view, have strayed from Christ's teachings; all being nothing more than fund raising organizations. My charity will always go in another 501(c)3 direction.
I find great satisfaction watching and sometimes participating in things here. There are also a few here whose "full of themselves" stupidity is better than Comedy Central. A couple are Kucinich like.
You are not one of them.
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