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Judge's tears, rebuke close case (San Diego diocese in turmoil)
Sign On San Diego ^ | November 2, 2007 | Sandi Dolbee and Mark Sauer

Posted on 11/03/2007 7:05:59 AM PDT by NYer

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To: Salvation

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41 posted on 11/04/2007 6:12:43 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: John123
Many times, it was never a question of whether or not a lot of these priests molested kids... I know of one case when just about everyone knew about ex-father O'Grady's dirty secrets and chose to look the other way. One Father was so shocked with the cover-up, he left the Church to become an attorney.

The Very Reverand Bishop Bernard "Bunny" Law comes to mind. Even after the scandal broke in Boston and his extensive role in the cover up was disclosed he was wisked off to a Vatican hideout where he is holed up to this day beyond the reach of US law.

If anyone cares to explain what the difference is between this behavior by the rcc and say the union corse or mafia when they stash a capo away please feel free to enlighten this forum.

42 posted on 11/04/2007 6:32:45 PM PST by ninonitti
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To: Balding_Eagle

This is just unbelievable to me. Pray for the children.


43 posted on 11/04/2007 7:16:16 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Palladin
"An average of 200 pedo priests per diocese"

I haven't seen that high of a statistic. Please provide the source.

44 posted on 11/05/2007 6:16:56 AM PST by Armando Guerra
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To: Armando Guerra

US clerics accused of abuse from 1950-2002: 4,392.

195 dioceses in the US would equal less than 23 per diocese over 52 yrs, which would be .433136 per diocese per year.

Any amount is unacceptable but so are lies and mischaractarization.


45 posted on 11/05/2007 6:55:16 AM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: tiki

Those are just the ones who got caught.


46 posted on 11/05/2007 11:40:06 AM PST by Palladin (Harry Reid suffers from foot-in-mouth disease.)
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To: Armando Guerra

Here’s agood source on every aspect of the sex scandal in the Catholic Church:

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/102/story_10276_1.html


47 posted on 11/05/2007 11:48:23 AM PST by Palladin (Harry Reid suffers from foot-in-mouth disease.)
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To: tiki

This article quotes a number of 11,000 p[riests:

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/141/story_14120_1.html


48 posted on 11/05/2007 11:54:04 AM PST by Palladin (Harry Reid suffers from foot-in-mouth disease.)
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To: Palladin

And you know this how????????????


49 posted on 11/05/2007 12:05:35 PM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: Palladin

Well, I got my info from your 1st link but you don’t like that link anymore and if 2 articles can be so different who is right? I think if you are the one making the claims then it is up to you to give the facts and support them.

Anyhow, that still makes 56 rather than 200 per diocese over a 52 yr period. So your first assertion is still wrong.


50 posted on 11/05/2007 12:08:30 PM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: tiki

Most of those abused never came forward out of shame; many who came forward did so ten or twenty or more years after the abuse. By then, many of the accused priests were dead (and hopefully receiving their just punishments.)

The nearly 11,000 figure quoted in the article above explains all this.

Another good source is SNAP.org.


51 posted on 11/05/2007 12:08:50 PM PST by Palladin (Harry Reid suffers from foot-in-mouth disease.)
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To: tiki

Here’s the updated link for SNAP(Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests):

http://www.snapnetwork.org/

Sorry, but I don’t have time right now to do research for you, but the links I gave are a start.


52 posted on 11/05/2007 12:11:47 PM PST by Palladin (Harry Reid suffers from foot-in-mouth disease.)
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To: Palladin

What happened was wrong and I don’t doubt that a lot of people who were abused never came forward but you talk like you know a lot about it and expect me to take your word for it. I expect some evidence if you are going to make assertions.


53 posted on 11/05/2007 12:12:32 PM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: tiki

200 priests over 50 years for each Diocese....do the math.


54 posted on 11/05/2007 12:13:14 PM PST by Palladin (Harry Reid suffers from foot-in-mouth disease.)
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To: tiki

Go back to my original post: I said 200 priests per Diocese. I did NOT say 200 per Diocese per year.

Thousands of young lives disrupted by these pigs; thousands of young souls corrupted. Dozens of suicides.

The facts are out there on trial transcripts; settlements by the Dioceses; other factual documents.

It can no longer be swept under the rug, so don’t even try.


55 posted on 11/05/2007 12:16:48 PM PST by Palladin (Harry Reid suffers from foot-in-mouth disease.)
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To: Palladin

Um, my handy dandy $1 calculator tells me that that would be 39,000.

If you are saying that you KNOW there were an average of 200 in each diocese then you must give the facts and not your assertions. If you are sticking to your 11,000, I would suggest that you hurry yourself down to the dollar store and get your own calculator.


56 posted on 11/05/2007 12:17:09 PM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: Palladin

Oh yes, please, make unsubstatiated exagerations and then get mad when someone asks for proof and not just assertions. If you read the post that you responded to which was not addressed to you, you will see what I think about it.

But if it makes you feel superior, stay on your high horse, I don’t care.


58 posted on 11/05/2007 2:30:09 PM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: Palladin; Religion Moderator

I don’t often do this but then I actually read the second sentence! I respectfully request that this post be removed and I would even ask that this person be banned for a time!


59 posted on 11/05/2007 2:32:46 PM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: ninonitti
where he is holed up to this day beyond the reach of US law

There's no warrant out for his arrest in the US. He hasn't been indicted on any charge.

He's "beyond the reach of US law" exactly as much as any other American expatriate. Last time I checked, the government has to actually indict someone in order to extradite them from a foreign country.

You do believe that even Catholic priests deserve due process of law, don't you? Good, then take it up with the DA in Boston if you have evidence that would lead to an indictment.

60 posted on 11/05/2007 2:48:21 PM PST by Campion
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