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To: topcat54
You are content with the meager offerings of Scofield and his ilk.

I knew that you wouldn't put forth your answer to the question -- but I had to give you a chance anyway. Atleast Scofield was confident enough in his beliefs to provide specifics and answer questions --

996 posted on 11/14/2007 9:28:09 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Uncle Chip; wmfights; blue-duncan; Lord_Calvinus; Dr. Eckleburg; tabsternager
I knew that you wouldn't put forth your answer to the question

If you say that I'm incapable of answering the question, you are quite wrong. All I have asked is that you demonstrate even a rudimentary ability to exegete the Bible for yourself. You could do that by explaining what Jesus was saying in Matthew 12:25-29. You could then compare that with what I would say (which I’m happy to do). You choose not to do that. There is no sense in me trying to explain a position if you lack the biblical skills to appreciate what I’m saying, which is all you have consistently demonstrated in our conversation.

998 posted on 11/14/2007 9:40:15 AM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism is a disease ... as contagious as polio.")
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To: Uncle Chip; topcat54; 1000 silverlings; Lee N. Field; tabsternager; Lord_Calvinus; Alex Murphy; ...
At least Scofield was confident enough in his beliefs to provide specifics and answer questions

But sometimes a pat answer is not sufficient because it is incorrect. Sometimes ambiguity itself is preferrable to the wrong answer because within the ambiguity is the answer, whereas it's nowhere near the wrong answer.

A map is not equal to the territory.

That's how I see dispensationalism -- a collection of often wrong answers.

Einstein said we should strive to make things as simple as possible, but not simpler. To believe that the promises of Christ are to national Israel is nuttiness. Christ appeared and all men are commanded to believe in Him today.

From the article that began this thread...

(Dispensationalists believe) two-thirds of the Jews will be slaughtered during the post-rapture tribulation, and the world will be nearly destroyed. Charles Ryrie writes in his book 'The Best is Yet to Come' that during this post-rapture period Israel will undergo "the worst bloodbath in Jewish history." The book's title doesn't seem to very appropriate considering that during this period of time most of the Jews will die!

John Walvoord follows a similar line of argument: "Israel is destined to have a particular time of suffering which will eclipse any thing that it has known in the past...[T]he people of Israel...are placing themselves within the vortex of this future whirlwind which will destroy the majority of those living in the land of Palestine."

As a result of this persecution of the Jewish people, two-thirds are going to be killed."

During the time when Israel seems to be at peace with the world, she is really under the domination of the antichrist who will turn on her at the mid-point in the seven-year period. Israel waits more than 2000 years for the promises finally to be fulfilled, and before it happens, two-thirds of them are wiped out.

Those who are charged with holding a "replacement theology viewpoint" (non-dispensationalists) believe in no inevitable future Jewish bloodbath. In fact, we believe that the Jews will inevitably embrace Jesus as the Messiah this side of the Second Coming. The fulfillment of Zechariah 13:8 is a past event. It may have had its fulfillment in the events leading up to and including the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70. Contrary to dispensationalism's interpretation of the Olivet Discourse, Jesus' disciples warned the Jewish nation for nearly forty years about the impending judgment (Matt. 3:7; 21:42;46; 22:1;14; 24:15;22). Those who believed Jesus' words of warning were delivered "from the wrath to come" (1 Thess. 1:10). Those who continued to reject Jesus as the promised Messiah, even though they had been warned for a generation (Matt. 24:34), "wrath has come upon them to the utmost" (1 Thess. 2:16; cf. 1 Thess. 5:1;11; 2 Pet. 3:10;13)

These answers seem both clear and simple to me, and according to the word of God.

1,004 posted on 11/14/2007 10:09:25 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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