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To: fortheDeclaration; blue-duncan; wmfights; Lord_Calvinus; Dr. Eckleburg; tabsternager
It meant the generation He was speaking about, which were Jews, not Christians.

Are you saying that no Christians were Jews in the first century?

Why would Christians be concerned about fleeing on the sabbath?

Well for one thing, Jewish Christians in and around Jerusalem would have had to contend with all the Sabbath restrictions placed on the citizens of ancient Israel. For example, the NT speaks of things like "a Sabbath day’s journey" (Acts 1:12). According to rabbinic tradition based on multiple OT texts, this distance was only about 2000 cubits (1000 yards). It would have been very difficult to "flee to the mountains" to escape the armies of Rome given this restriction.

However, to counter your futurist perspective, looking at modern secular Israel today, why would anyone care about whether or not they were traveling on the Sabbath? These OT commands are largely ignored in modern times. Certainly no one in Israel today is limited to traveling only 1000 yards on the Sabbath. Jesus’ words were obviously meant for an ancient time.

988 posted on 11/14/2007 8:52:00 AM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism is a disease ... as contagious as polio.")
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To: topcat54; Uncle Chip; Iscool; Alamo-Girl; fortheDeclaration; wmfights
Certainly no one in Israel today is limited to traveling only 1000 yards on the Sabbath. Jesus’ words were obviously meant for an ancient time.

ANOTHER
BRAZEN
FALSEHOOD.

Though perhaps the Replacementarians are travel challenged.

Perhaps they have not been to Jerusalem, as I have.

Perhaps they have not been to the Orthodox quarter of Jerusalem.

Perhaps the blindness
Of Replacementariansism
should be blamed on
an
inadequate
travel
budget!

I guess my perspective would be . . . constrained, mangled, twisted, thoroughly out of touch with current, historical and Biblical realities if I spent all my time tied up in twisted gordian knots; packed like a sardine in a tiny little black box without windows . . .

Is there no end of the Replacementarian's silly assumptions so brazenly out of touch with commonly shared tangible time/space realities so familiar to the rest of us? A post to be up shortly is yet another shocking example of the same phenomena.

A brazen statement is made that is THOROUGHLY FALSE. JUST OBJECTIVELY INACCURATE, WRONG, NOT TRUE, FALSE, . . . and so much so a grade schooler would know it in a flash. Yet the Replacementarians seem to think we should think of their offerings of such BRAZEN FALSEHOODS as

evidence

FOR

their perspective!???

That's kind of like O.J. Simpson in the midst of the trial pulling a bloody glove out of his pocket with his blood on it mixed with DNA from his victims and offering it as evidence and insisting it should help prove his INNOCENCE!!!

Mind boggling.

997 posted on 11/14/2007 9:37:56 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: topcat54
[It meant the generation He was speaking about, which were Jews, not Christians.]

Are you saying that no Christians were Jews in the first century?

Now don't get goofy on me!

In Matthew Christ is speaking to Jews,not Christians.

[ Why would Christians be concerned about fleeing on the sabbath? ]

Well for one thing, Jewish Christians in and around Jerusalem would have had to contend with all the Sabbath restrictions placed on the citizens of ancient Israel. For example, the NT speaks of things like "a Sabbath day’s journey" (Acts 1:12). According to rabbinic tradition based on multiple OT texts, this distance was only about 2000 cubits (1000 yards). It would have been very difficult to "flee to the mountains" to escape the armies of Rome given this restriction. However, to counter your futurist perspective, looking at modern secular Israel today, why would anyone care about whether or not they were traveling on the Sabbath? These OT commands are largely ignored in modern times. Certainly no one in Israel today is limited to traveling only 1000 yards on the Sabbath. Jesus’ words were obviously meant for an ancient time.

No, a Christian would not be concerned about fleeing on a sabbath day, once it was revealed to him that those days meant nothing, as they had by 70AD.

As for Jews, there are still a large segment of religious Jews who take the sabbath very seriously and do not even press an elevator button on it.

1,050 posted on 11/14/2007 12:51:44 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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