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To: topcat54; Uncle Chip
But you are denying what you just affirmed. It says "bind" not "overcome". Same Greek word in Matt 12 and Rev. 20. Same object, Satan. Satan is the strong man, and Jesus said the strong man must be bound for his kingdom to be plundered, which is evidence that the kingdom had come, and all that is true. Then you turn around and say that Satan is not bound.

No, I am using the comparsion verse that you gave me, Luke 11:22, which doesn't use the word 'bind' but 'overcome'-explaining what is meant by 'bound' in the Gospel accounts.

Now, Christ came preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven and the Kingdom of God, so Satan was powerless to fight against it while it was on Earth in the person of Christ.

However, since Christ was rejected as the Jewish Messiah, the Kingdom of Heaven was put on 'hold' while the Kingdom of God is spread through individuals of the Church.

The Satanic deception continues until Satan is bound and put into the abyss and then the Kingdom of Heaven is established with Christ ruling as the Son of David from Jerusalem (Ps.89).

961 posted on 11/14/2007 1:48:41 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: fortheDeclaration; Uncle Chip; Lord_Calvinus; Dr. Eckleburg; tabsternager
No, I am using the comparsion verse that you gave me, Luke 11:22, which doesn't use the word 'bind' but 'overcome'-explaining what is meant by 'bound' in the Gospel accounts.

That’s fine, but you still need to deal with the fact that both Matthew and Revelation use the same Greek word. You also need to explain any significance to Luke’s use of a different word. Was Luke trying to assert something different from Matthew by his choice of words?

Now, Christ came preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven and the Kingdom of God, so Satan was powerless to fight against it while it was on Earth in the person of Christ.

OK, I guess. Let’s see where this is going.

However, since Christ was rejected as the Jewish Messiah, the Kingdom of Heaven was put on 'hold' while the Kingdom of God is spread through individuals of the Church.

Do you have any Scripture to back up that theory? Actually the fact that many thousands of Jews, including Peter and Paul, received Christ as their Messiah discredits that assertion. Jesus is the Jewish Messiah. Just ask all those believing Jews. The fact that some Jews were hardened and that many still await the regrafting into spiritual Israel does not change that fact.

The Satanic deception continues until Satan is bound and put into the abyss and then the Kingdom of Heaven is established with Christ ruling as the Son of David from Jerusalem (Ps.89).

And now we are back to the beginning. If you are mistaken in one of your steps, which you appear to be, then you will never arrive at the correct conclusion.

Rev. 20 makes it clear that the reason for Satan’s binding as to do with his ability to deceive the nations ( ethnos, gentiles). Christ overcame Satan’s ability to keep the good news from being preaching in all the nations of the world. As Jesus told His disciples, "all authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth". He then gives them their marching orders, "go and make disciples of all nations (same word, ethnos)". The disciples could only take those words as indicating that they would have success in their task because the ethnos were under the authority of Christ, not Satan. The reason being that Satan was bound from deceiving the nations any longer.

974 posted on 11/14/2007 7:24:38 AM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism is a disease ... as contagious as polio.")
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