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To: topcat54; Uncle Chip
[I have Paul saying that the Jew is going to return to favor again (Rom.11)]

I see your problem, reading too much into Romans 11. It says nothing about the national state of Israel in that passage.

No, actually I am just reading exactly what Paul wrote.

He said that the Jews will receive the promises given to them (Rom.11-25-29)

[ I don't have to prove that it is, the fact that it even exists shows that prophecy is getting ready to be fulfilled. ]

That's only proof by assertion. It is illogical to say that just because this entity exists that the secular nations call "Israel" is the equivalent to saying God calls it "Israel" according to His Word.

It is?

LOL!

It is illogical to state that what has happened, the reemergence of a Jewish state and them retaking Jerusalem have nothing to do with prophecy.

What other people in human history have been removed from their homeland, dispersed, persecuted and then returned to that same homeland 2,000 years later?

Just as it was prophesied in Isa.11:11, that there would be two dispersions, and the Lord would bring back the Jews a second time, which this present Israel is.

The Babylonian captivity was the first return, and the return in 1948 was the second.

[ clear future prophecy ]

That’s an oxymoron. Sorry, but there hasn’t been much clarity on prophecy from your camp.

Ofcourse there has been, you just don't want to believe it.

Just like the pharisess didn't want to believe that Christ was the Messiah.

So, what about the wolf lying down with the lamb, when does that all happen?

931 posted on 11/13/2007 2:22:37 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: fortheDeclaration; topcat54; Uncle Chip
It is illogical to state that what has happened, the reemergence of a Jewish state and them retaking Jerusalem have nothing to do with prophecy.

Israel has 50% of the world's Jewish population. But that's what ya get from Topcat and those who believe Edom has superceeded Jacob. Of course when a supercessionist believes they are Jacob, what can ya do. And of course Edom is now spritual and the former sons and daughers of Jacob secular. Oh the proud.

933 posted on 11/13/2007 2:34:25 PM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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