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To: fortheDeclaration; wmfights; tabsternager; Lord_Calvinus
Vs 25 says that Christ must reign till all of his enemies are put under his feet.

Yes, that’s what’s been going on for the last 2000 year since He ascended into heaven to the throne of David from which He has been reigning.

That reign happens during the Millennial reign (see Ps.2)

Wrong. Read the NT. It says that He is reigning (cf, Eph. 1:10 and Heb. 8:1). Paul is quoting from Psalms as more proof that Jesus is reigning as the promised Messiah of Palm 2. Jesus Himself said that "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth" right now. Not in some futurist fantasy millennium.

Then, the last enemy destroyed is death, which happens at the Great White Throne Judgement (Rev.20)

Correct. That happens at "the end" just after our resurrection. "The end" means "the end", not the start of yet another thousand years.

Now, as for 'flesh and blood inheriting the Kingdom of God' you know that the Kingdom of God and Heaven are two different Kingdoms!

Dispensational baloney.

23 Then Jesus said to His disciples, "Assuredly, I say to you that it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 And again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." (Matt. 19)
The phrases are used interchangeably in the Bible, as demonstrated in this one passage. Most thinking dispensationalists repudiate this Scofieldian nonsense.

The Kingdom of God is a spiritual Kingdom which flesh and blood cannot inherit (Rom.14:17).

The Kingdom of Heaven is a literal, physical kingdom, which is the Kingdom the Apostles were looking for.

More baloney of the same noxious sort.

23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming. (If you are a futurist insert 1007 years right here) 24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. (1 Cor. 15)

918 posted on 11/13/2007 1:42:22 PM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism is a disease ... as contagious as polio.")
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To: topcat54
[Vs 25 says that Christ must reign till all of his enemies are put under his feet.]

Yes, that’s what’s been going on for the last 2000 year since He ascended into heaven to the throne of David from which He has been reigning.

And it isn't complete until after the Millennial reign, where a final rebellion breaks out and God the Father wipes it out (Rev.20:9).

Now, Christ is sitting at the Father's right hand, He is not reigning over anything except His own Church.

[ That reign happens during the Millennial reign (see Ps.2)]

Wrong. Read the NT. It says that He is reigning (cf, Eph. 1:10 and Heb. 8:1). Paul is quoting from Psalms as more proof that Jesus is reigning as the promised Messiah of Palm 2. Jesus Himself said that "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth" right now. Not in some futurist fantasy millennium.

Yes, all authority has been given to him on heaven and earth, but he is not using that authority now.

Just like David was made King in 1Sam.16 but did not actually rule to much later.

Christ is the legal ruler of the Earth,(De jure) but not the actual ruler,(De facto) Satan is still the ruler right now (2Cor.4)

[ Then, the last enemy destroyed is death, which happens at the Great White Throne Judgement (Rev.20) ]

Correct. That happens at "the end" just after our resurrection. "The end" means "the end", not the start of yet another thousand years.

I said that death ends at the Great White Throne Judgement after the Millennial reign.

Life does continue into the eternal state, but death won't. (Rev.21-22)

[ Now, as for 'flesh and blood inheriting the Kingdom of God' you know that the Kingdom of God and Heaven are two different Kingdoms! ]

Dispensational baloney.

No, just fact.

As shown by Paul's definition in Rom.14.

23 Then Jesus said to His disciples, "Assuredly, I say to you that it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 And again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." (Matt. 19)

No, they are both true.

The Kingdom of Heaven is never used in any other Gospel but Matthew.

It always refers to a literal, physical, millennial kingdom as promised by the prophets and waited for by the Apostles (I guess they were deceived by the Scofield notes)

The phrases are used interchangeably in the Bible, as demonstrated in this one passage. Most thinking dispensationalists repudiate this Scofieldian nonsense.

The phrases are not used interchangeably, although the Kingdoms do overlap.

How can an unsaved man enter into the Kingdom of God, which is a spiritual kingdom?

Yet, in Matthew 13:47, the Kingdom of Heaven has good and bad fish in it and at the end of the world, the bad fish are thrown out.

No unsaved man ever enters into the Kingdom of God, unless you think that someone can lose their salvation?

[ The Kingdom of God is a spiritual Kingdom which flesh and blood cannot inherit (Rom.14:17). The Kingdom of Heaven is a literal, physical kingdom, which is the Kingdom the Apostles were looking for. ]

More baloney of the same noxious sort.

No, more pure sweet smelling truth

23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming. (If you are a futurist insert 1007 years right here) 24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. (1 Cor. 15)

Yes, that is correct.

The Church and OT believers receive their resurrection bodies before the Millennium and reign with Christ (if they suffer with him 2Ti.2:12)

930 posted on 11/13/2007 2:14:02 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: topcat54
Wrong. Read the NT. It says that He is reigning (cf, Eph. 1:10 and Heb. 8:1).

Oddly, these are the verses you referenced...

This may hurt your eyes so I suggest putting some dark glasses on...The light here is going to get pretty bright...

Eph 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fullness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

The fullness of times is not here yet...AND, it's called a Dispensation...That's in contrast to the Dispensation we currently live in...

Heb 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such a high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
Heb 8:2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

Do you see the word King anywhere??? How about reign??? Jesus is sitting in Heaven as the High Priest...The Minister...

He is not YET reigning as King...

He will not reign as King until He sits on the earthly Throne of David after the Dispensation of the fullness of times...

And that Dispensation includes the NEW, yet to come covenant with Israel...

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

And that's when the MILLENIUM starts and Jesus reigns as King of Kings...

945 posted on 11/13/2007 5:02:12 PM PST by Iscool
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