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To: topcat54
[Seems pretty clear to me that those verses are future.]

That is understandable when you do not read them in the light of the rest of the Bible, esp. the NT. The unbelieving Jews think the same thing. They are free to leave Jesus out of the equation just as you are doing.

Nothing in the New Testament cancels out those verses.

In fact, the last question that the Apostles asked Christ before He ascended was when was the kingdom of Israel going to be restored?

Did Christ tell them that it was not going to happen-no, only that they were not to know the time of its happening.

Just how much of the Bible do you guys throw out?

916 posted on 11/13/2007 1:33:22 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: fortheDeclaration
Did Christ tell them that it was not going to happen-no, only that they were not to know the time of its happening.

Where does He tell them that it will happen? All you have is an argument from silence, and not a very good one.

Besides, you cannot prove that present secular Israel is the exact fulfillment of any of your futurist fantasies. It may disappear tomorrow in a puff of nuclear smoke.

Just how much of the Bible do you guys throw out?

That's funny. Just think of it as we don’t happen read it with Mr. Scofield’s glasses.

920 posted on 11/13/2007 1:46:25 PM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism is a disease ... as contagious as polio.")
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