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To: blue-duncan; Uncle Chip; tabsternager; Lord_Calvinus
Is it the masculine gender in Hebrew?

You never did answer my question, did it make a difference to the translators of the Septuagint when they used the feminine Greek word for "clouds"? Your belaboring a point that makes no difference in the Bible, only in the world of the hyperliteralists.

Now, where does it say in the Old Testament that they will “see the Lord riding on a swift cloud”?

Hyperliteralism will not help you see the forest for the trees.

They did not see him coming in 70 A.D, so what is the point of telling them something they won’t see or recognize?

So what you are saying is that Jesus was lying to the high priest when He said to him " you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven", or you just don’t care to take His words "literally".

Now, where in the context of Daniel 7 is there mention of the judgment of “unbelieving Israel”?

That is the way Jesus applies it in His conversation with the high priest in Matt 26. Jesus is finishing the picture He started to paint in Daniel 7. All the prophets testify about Him.

Which is more believable,

Speaking of believable, I notice you did not answer my question about Rev. 14:14. If you ignore the places that make you uncomfortable, you will never figure out what is believable and what isn’t.

803 posted on 11/12/2007 10:57:10 AM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism is a disease ... as contagious as polio.")
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To: topcat54; Uncle Chip; tabsternager

“So what you are saying is that Jesus was lying to the high priest when He said to him “ you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven”, or you just don’t care to take His words “literally”.

Here is where they will see Him coming in His majesty and glory and there will be no mistaking Him for the paper tiger, Rome,

Rev. 20:11-15, “And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”


804 posted on 11/12/2007 11:05:09 AM PST by blue-duncan
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To: topcat54
“And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.”

What is your point? You now have stated that clouds in the Daniel 7 passage does not mean “armies” but “Jesus’ use of the phrase “coming in clouds” comes from the OT and is a symbolic phrase that can be used to describe God’s coming in temporal judgment against a nation”. I do not disagree with that. Nor do I disagree that poetic imagery is used in Revelation.

809 posted on 11/12/2007 11:28:23 AM PST by blue-duncan
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