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To: topcat54; Dr. Eckleburg; ovrtaxt; wmfights; 1000 silverlings; Lee N. Field; Alex Murphy; ...

“Because the same book of Hebrews says that animal sacrifices have ended once for all.”

The writers were talking about the sacrifice for sin had ceased, not memorial. By the way, when did the sacrifices for sin under the old covenant cease, when Jesus died or when the temple was destroyed in 70 A.D.?

The “clouds” mentioned in Daniel 7 are masculine gender and Daniel says “with” the clouds of heaven. Matthew uses the feminine gender for clouds and says “coming in the clouds of heaven”. The Hebrews reference to surrounded by “clouds” of witness is the neuter gender. The feminine “clouds” is the Old Testament cloud that led Israel.

You still haven’t answered the question, were the two covenants overlapping for forty years?


730 posted on 11/11/2007 9:02:01 PM PST by blue-duncan
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To: blue-duncan; Dr. Eckleburg; ovrtaxt; wmfights; 1000 silverlings; Lee N. Field; Alex Murphy
The writers were talking about the sacrifice for sin had ceased, not memorial.

That's exactly what Ezekiel is talking about, sin atonement sacrifices, at least according to the futurists. Now either you misinterpret Ezekiel, or you are content to ignore the implications.

By the way, when did the sacrifices for sin under the old covenant cease, when Jesus died or when the temple was destroyed in 70 A.D.?

The temple sacrifices were rendered ineffectual once ChristÂ’s sacrifice was completed on the cross, although the Jews in their stubbornness continued until the temple was destroyed by God at the hands of the Roman armies in AD70.

The “clouds” mentioned in Daniel 7 are masculine gender and Daniel says “with” the clouds of heaven. Matthew uses the feminine gender for clouds and says “coming in the clouds of heaven”.

ThatÂ’s funny. Did you get this one from a Hebrew-Greek for dispies book?

It makes absolutely no difference since there is no feminine clouds in Hebrew or masculine clouds in Greek. As you are no doubt aware the Septuagint Greek of Daniel 7 uses the feminine word for clouds; εθεωρουν εν οραματι της νυκτος και ιδου μετα των νεφελων του ουρανου ως υιος ανθρωπου ερχομενος ην και εως του παλαιου των ημερων εφθασεν και ενωπιον αυτου προσηνεχθη

You still havenÂ’t answered the question, were the two covenants overlapping for forty years?

In a sense, yes. As Hebrews 8 declares, the old covenant was fading and about to pass away. That finally happened in AD70.

734 posted on 11/11/2007 9:42:38 PM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism is a disease ... as contagious as polio.")
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To: blue-duncan
The writers were talking about the sacrifice for sin had ceased, not memorial.

Just where do you-all get this "memorial" thing?

By the way, when did the sacrifices for sin under the old covenant cease, when Jesus died or when the temple was destroyed in 70 A.D.?

After Jesus was crucified, any further animal sacrifice for sin would have been, dare we say it, an abomination.

740 posted on 11/12/2007 5:24:39 AM PST by Lee N. Field ("Dispensationalism -- threat or menace?")
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