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To: tabsternager
“It seems that Chip and others now want to claim we are the anti-Christ, because we believe the plain truth of scripture.

”Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

Now that is the plain truth of the scripture...

So why do you keep saying you believe the plain truth of the scripture??? The plain truth of the scripture says when Jesus comes at His 2nd coming, they will see Him...You can't get any more plain than that...

Therefore, you DO NOT believe the plain truth of the scripture...

Mar 13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven

And you don't believe God here either...

So God sent his multitudes of angels from one end of Heaven to the other and collected his 'elect', including those on and in the earth

And then what did He do with them???

You don't believe that happend...And that's more plain truth of the Bible...

It appears that the plain truth of the scripture has escaped you...

616 posted on 11/10/2007 11:05:15 PM PST by Iscool
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To: Iscool

”Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

Now that is the plain truth of the scripture...”

Yes, it is. And it’s interpreted literally through a tunnel only by the dispensationalists. So I’ll repeat the following to you that I’ve sent to someone else:

Isaiah 19
A Prophecy About Egypt
1 An oracle concerning Egypt:
See, the LORD RIDES ON A SWIFT CLOUD
AND IS COMING TO EGYPT.
The idols of Egypt tremble before him,
and the hearts of the Egyptians melt within them.

The above was fulfilled of course. Do you think God literally hopped on a cloud and rode down to Egypt and kicked over their idols? Or maybe the above was apocalyptic hyperbole concerning God’s using the Assyrians to bring His wrath upon Egypt (Is. 20)?

Now, does the following have any similarity to the above:

Mark 14:61-62: Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?”
62”I am,” said Jesus. “And YOU will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN.”

So any similarity between “coming on the clouds” and “rides on a swift cloud and is coming to Egypt?

Also, Jesus told Caiaphas that Caiaphas would see Him. Do you think that Caiaphas is still living today and waiting to “see” Him?

Answer these questions honestly now. Intellectual dishonesty won’t fly.


731 posted on 11/11/2007 9:07:19 PM PST by tabsternager
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To: Iscool

***Mar 13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven***

Funny you should bring up this simple gospel verse when it actually denies the timetable of Dispensationalists and Premills in general.

Note that this is about the age of the preaching of the gospel.
Note that there is only one seperating of the wheat and tares.
Note that all the tares are burned.
Note that it happens at the end of THIS age.
Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

Note that there is not a spec of Dispensationalism and the only “rapture” spoken of in the verses is the rapture of the tares out of the midst of the wheat for the purpose of being burned.


755 posted on 11/12/2007 7:32:38 AM PST by Lord_Calvinus
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