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To: topcat54
The coming in AD70 was not a physical coming. It was a temporal judgment against Israel patterned after many of the temporal judgment in the OT prophecies, e.g., Isaiah 13:1,9,10.

Nonsense, the verse you are using in Matthew 24 says clearly:

"and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory" [Mt 24:30]

You say that this was fulfilled when He came in 70 AD but His coming then was just not in the flesh. Well here is what John says about your confession:

"Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God, and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world." [I John 4:2,3]

"For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist." [II John 7]

593 posted on 11/10/2007 3:14:01 PM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Uncle Chip
You say that this was fulfilled when He came in 70 AD but His coming then was just not in the flesh. Well here is what John says about your confession:

"Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God, and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world." [I John 4:2,3]

John was referring to the original coming, the incarnation, in opposition to false teachers who maintained that he only seemed to be a man.

601 posted on 11/10/2007 5:11:47 PM PST by Lee N. Field ("Dispensationalism -- threat or menace?")
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To: Uncle Chip

***Nonsense, the verse you are using in Matthew 24 says clearly:

“and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory” [Mt 24:30]

You say that this was fulfilled when He came in 70 AD but His coming then was just not in the flesh. Well here is what John says about your confession:

“Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God, and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.” [I John 4:2,3]

“For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.” [II John 7]***

How old are you, cause it really does seem like we are talking with a child?


752 posted on 11/12/2007 7:18:11 AM PST by Lord_Calvinus
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