[Uncle Chip]

So you agree that these prophets say nothing directly about the times in which we live, at that the political entity created in 1948 has nothing to do with the words of the prophets.

Talk about leaping to wild conclusions -- Nope

[topcat54]

Talk about leaping to wild conclusions -- Nope

So then you do believe it, but you have nothing specific to say about it? Secular Israel as it now stands could go one for many generations or centuries and nothing could happen, is that it?