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To: XeniaSt; 1000 silverlings; topcat54; Lee N. Field; Lord_Calvinus; tabsternager
YHvH's larger plan of salvation, where His People are blinded for a time, in order to bring His salvation to the gentile nations.

"His people?" There has always been only one people, one promise, one family of God -- those whom receive grace through faith. There is no "larger plan." There is only "the plan," ordained by God from before the foundation of the world.

And that plan, whispered in the Old Testament, is now shouted from the New Testament to all men --

"Be not afraid; only believe." -- Mark 5:36

"His people" are not unbelieving Jews nor unbelieving atheists nor unbelieving new-agers nor unbelieving Icelandics.

"His people" are all those who possess faith in Jesus Christ, now and in the days to come. How could Paul be clearer than this...?

"Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed." -- Romans 9:6-8

Why would anyone continue to glorify the children of the flesh when it is the children of the promise who are counted for the seed, the elect of God?

211 posted on 11/06/2007 11:59:06 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Lord_Calvinus; topcat54; irishtenor
continue to glorify

Ah the same reason they will believe the Zohar, but not the Bible: man is lord of the universe

212 posted on 11/06/2007 12:03:23 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed." -- Romans 9:6-8 Why would anyone continue to glorify the children of the flesh when it is the children of the promise who are counted for the seed, the elect of God?

Are you sure that you understand what you are quoting???

Romans 9:7 says: "Neither, because thay are the seed of Abraham are they all children, but in Isaac shall thy seed be called".

Ishmael was the child of the flesh. Isaac was the child of promise and all the 12 tribes descended from Isaac.

225 posted on 11/06/2007 1:11:49 PM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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