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Luke 21: 20 “When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. Then LET THOSE WHO ARE IN JUDEA FLEE TO THE MOUNTAINS, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city.

Matthew 24:15-16: “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— then LET THOSE WHO ARE IN JUDEA FLEE TO THE MOUNTAINS.

Clearly, these are not separate events:

“But the abomination of which Daniel writes is that the Emperor Cajus, as history tells, had put his image in the temple at Jerusalem as an idol, for the people to worship, after everything there had been destroyed.”
—Martin Luther, (”Sermon for the Twenty-Fifth Sunday after Trinity; Matthew 24:15-28”
from his Church Postil, first published in 1525)

“But the abomination of which Daniel writes is that the Emperor Cajus, as history tells, had put his image in the temple at Jerusalem as an idol, for the people to worship, after everything there had been destroyed.”

HOGWASH.

1. The tin horn Emporer was NOT ruler of the whole world, every people group; every language group; every tribe. THEREFORE, BIBLICALLY, IT COULD NOT HAVE BEEN HIM. His actions may have hinted at horrors to come but he didn't have what it takes to fit the Biblical ruler involved.

2. He did not live in an era WHEN it is now possible for THE MARK OF THE BEAST to prevent anyone not having it from buying or selling. The technology did not exist then. The Scripture indicates to me that it's not POSSIBLE to buy or sell without it--not mearly not permitted. That only exists in our era, with the chip ID implant so in evidence at a recent big football game. This one issue screams that these are the END TIMES conclusively. This one fact blows all other constructions on prophetic reality out of the water.

3. The desolation will be as no other era/time in history and as no other era/time in the future. The tin horn Emporer could not rise to that level of devastation. The Replacementarian perspective is WRONG AGAIN.

4. The tin horn Emporer did not live in a time when THE TWO WITNESSES SUPERNATURALLY WILL CALL FIRE DOWN FROM HEAVEN; WILL BE SEEN BY EVERY TRIBE, LANGUAGE GROUP, PEOPLE GROUP all around the globe. The Replacementarian perspective is WRONG AGAIN.

5. The Emporer did not live in an era when there were massive numbers of massively dramatic signs in the heavens as in our era.

6. IIRC, the slaughter then was not as massive and efficient as the future one is slated to be . . . and IIRC, there were no elements of supernatural deliverance of any of the victims as are hinted about in the future scenario.

7. The Emporer was NOT satan incarnate nor his false prophet. This fact alone blows the Replacementarian perspective out of the water on this point.

I don't expect any of the Replacementarians to deal remotely adequately with even a fraction of the above. But at least here they are for the fair-minded lurkers to prayerfull ponder. At least 6 of the 7 are deal brakers for the nonsense interpretations so doggedly foisted on these threads.

Luke 21: 20 “When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. Then LET THOSE WHO ARE IN JUDEA FLEE TO THE MOUNTAINS, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city. Matthew 24:15-16: “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— then LET THOSE WHO ARE IN JUDEA FLEE TO THE MOUNTAINS. Clearly, these are not separate events:

Clearly they are!

For in Matthew, something gets set up in the Temple that causes Desolation.

Nothing is set up in the Temple in Luke.

When the siege began in 70AD, those armies that had circled Jerusalem left for a time and Christians knowing the warning got out.

The Jews didn't and were destroyed.

The warning is Matthew is for Jews living in the Tribulation time who see something happen before the desolation occurs, the abomination being set up in the Temple and they are to told to flee then and don't even go into their houses to get anything.

“But the abomination of which Daniel writes is that the Emperor Cajus, as history tells, had put his image in the temple at Jerusalem as an idol, for the people to worship, after everything there had been destroyed.” —Martin Luther, (”Sermon for the Twenty-Fifth Sunday after Trinity; Matthew 24:15-28” from his Church Postil, first published in 1525)

An Idol being put in after the destruction is not what Matthew says.

It speaks of the people seeing the idol being put in before the destruction.

There was no temple left when the Romans finished with its destruction.

Hadrian put up an idol later after yet a second attack, years later, and actually razed the ground hoping that Jerusalem would never be rebuilt.

Read what the verses actually say and not what you want them to say.