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To: topcat54; Dr. Eckleburg; P-Marlowe; Iscool; Quix; Lee N. Field
It is difficult to carry on a discussion with someone who is intellectually dishonest to the degree you are.

What you mean is that it is difficult for you to exegete your way around those troublesome scriptures like this:

"Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God. And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: And this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world." [I John 4:2-3]

Let's be clear on your Preterist position:

1] While Dispensationalists believe in two comings for Jesus [26 AD and yet future], Preterists of all stripes believe in three comings [26 AD, 70 AD, and yet future].

2] While Dispensationalists believe that the first and the future second coming of Jesus was and will be "in the flesh" [physical] comings, Preterists contend that though the first coming was "in the flesh" [physical], the second coming in 70 AD was NOT "in the flesh" [and they take this position because there is no evidence that Jesus came in 70 AD but by saying that he came ethereally, then they can try to avoid the evidentiary rule].

3] And as far as the third coming yet future, though Preterists say that it will be in the flesh [physical], their description of this yet future coming bears little physical resemblance to the yet future "in the flesh" coming that Dispensationalists describe. The Preterist yet future third coming is merely for the purpose of closing up shop here on earth and heading back to heaven with the remnants. This is hardly a physical coming at all when compared to the physical coming of Dispensationalism.

4] Dispensationalists confess that Jesus Christ "cometh in the flesh" in all His comings, past and future and they are solid hard core comings. Preterists, on the other hand, confess NOT that Jesus Christ "cometh in the flesh" in all His comings -- only his first and third comings, and that third one is so mushy and ethereal that it is barely physically recognizable. They have split His second coming into two and ethereallized them away to the point of almost complete denial.

"And this is that spirit of antichrist"

-- and Preterists claim that Satan is bound and not deceiving the nations anymore??? They all need to go take a hard [not ethereal] look in the mirror before it is too late for them.

1,646 posted on 11/22/2007 4:19:38 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Very excellent valid, very Biblical points.

Should be sadly amusing to see the contortions replies to that take.

Thanks.


1,661 posted on 11/22/2007 7:39:05 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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