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To: topcat54
The fulfillment of Zechariah 13:8 is a past event. It may have had its fulfillment in the events leading up to and including the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70.

It has?

The Jews have said that Christ is their God?

Christ said the last days would be the worst in human history (Mat.24:21) which 70 AD doesn't qualify as.

As for the intercalation, the author is right, we believe that God is using the Church today, not Israel.

But I noticed that he doesn't give our New Testament scriptural justification for it, it is based on the reading in Rom.11:25-28.

7) The promised Deliverer will come out of Zion and the nation will be saved (Romans 11:25-29). That the Christian now inherits the distinctive Jewish promises is not taught in Scripture. The Christian is of the heavenly seed of Abraham ; Genesis 15:5,6; Galatians 3:29 and partakes of the spiritual blessings of the Abrahamic Covenant.

It should be noted that when Scofield wrote his notes, there was no nation of Israel in existance.

http://bible.crosswalk.com/Commentaries/ScofieldReferenceNotes/srn.cgi?book=ro&chapter=011

152 posted on 11/05/2007 12:55:14 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: fortheDeclaration; Quix
It should be noted that when Scofield wrote his notes, there was no nation of Israel in existance.

Excellent thought. When that is considered in light of Romans 11, then we see that the glass through which Scofield and Darby were viewing was a bit murkier than our own. The existence of the nation of Israel does cause one to think more about the possibilities in prophetic literature about the promises to national Israel.

The only way to avoid dutifully viewing such ideas would be to ignore them.

153 posted on 11/05/2007 1:19:51 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain. True support of the troops means praying for US to WIN the war!)
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To: fortheDeclaration; xzins; P-Marlowe; Alamo-Girl; blue-duncan; tabsternager; Dr. Eckleburg
The Jews have said that Christ is their God?

In fact, many ethnic Jews have. Where have you been for the last 2000 years? Or do you believe all these millions of Jewish converts to Christ who in faith have cried out "Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord" are inferior, disenfranchised "semi-Jews" of some sort?

Christ said the last days would be the worst in human history (Mat.24:21) which 70 AD doesn't qualify as.

Such a statement demonstrates a deficient understanding of hyperbolic and superlative language as it is used in the Bible.

Second, [in the Great Tribulation narrative] Jesus was using dramatic hyperbole or a proverbial method of speech taken directly from the Old Testament. Note the words spoken by Ezekiel regarding the destruction of Jerusalem by the Babylonians. "And I will do among you what I have never done, and the like of which I will never do again, because of all your abominations" (Ezek. 5:9). Does this passage teach that Israel endured the worst judgment in human history in the 6th century B.C.? No. No one believes that the destruction wrought by the Babylonians was worse than that of the Romans in A.D. 70. The point is that the destruction will be severe, excruciating and unique. Similarly Daniel says, "by bringing upon us a great disaster; for under the whole heaven such has never been done as what has been done to Jerusalem" (Dan. 9:12). "And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation, even to that time" (Dan. 12:1). "The language of v. 19 [i.e., Mk. 13:19 the parallel to Mt. 24:21], as also of Dan, 12:1, which it cites, uses traditional expressions to denote severe tribulation, not simply of Israel but of other people also." For example, such language is even used to describe the anguish of the Egyptians after the tenth plague. "Then there shall be a great cry throughout all the land of Egypt, such as was not like it before, nor shall be like it again" (Ex. 11:6; cf. 9:18; 10:14). "The cry of anguish sent up by this destruction will be unique, just as the disaster will be unique." Morison writes regarding Matthew 24:21, "It is superlative in its relation both to the past and to the future. We might explain this superlative mode of representation by the freedom which is universally assumed and accorded in popular speech. Men speak unhesitantly, when referring to anything remarkable, of the 'highest,' the 'greatest,' the 'extremist.' It is an idiom of hyperbolism." (Matthew 24 and the Great Tribulation by Brian Schwertley)
Carefully comparing Scripture with Scripture will cure you of the noxious infection of the error of the dispensational system. By adopting a biblical hermeneutical system you will be forcing yourself to follow the rules of the Word of God, not the fanciful inventions of folks like CI Scofield, Tommy Ice, and Hal Lindsey.
154 posted on 11/05/2007 1:25:03 PM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism is a disease ... as contagious as polio.")
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