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To: topcat54

Those who believe the Great Tribulation fail to abide in Him through the guidance provided in Romans 11:25.

If the reformed assertion were to be true, then no Gentile believer could come from the Reformation because Romans was written circa 55-58 AD and the the fullness of the time of the Gentiles would have concluded 12 years later, resulting in no valid Church ever being formed beyond that 12 year cycle.

Accordingly, the Reformers devotion to the Great Tribulation having transpired circa 70 AD removes their branch from the olive tree, if true, at least for those Reformers who were originally Gentiles.

God doesn’t refer to it as the Great Tribulation simply because one town was decimated. Many larger tribulations have occurred to believers in Him since then, and it is well understood that there will never be a time on earth so troublesome as the Great Tribulation.


11 posted on 10/29/2007 7:22:02 AM PDT by Cvengr (Every believer is a grenade. Arrogance is the grenade pin. Pull the pin and fragment your life.)
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To: Cvengr
Those who believe the Great Tribulation fail to abide in Him through the guidance provided in Romans 11:25.

I'm not following your thought process here. Can you make it a bit clearer?

12 posted on 10/29/2007 7:57:56 AM PDT by topcat54 ("Friends don't let friends listen to dispensationalists.")
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To: Cvengr

“it is well understood that there will never be a time on earth so troublesome as the Great Tribulation.”

Something to consider:

Exodus 11:6: There will be loud wailing throughout Egypt—WORSE THAN THERE HAS EVER BEEN OR EVER WILL BE AGAIN.

Joel 2:2: a day of darkness and gloom,
a day of clouds and blackness.
Like dawn spreading across the mountains
a large and mighty army comes,
SUCH AS NEVER WAS OF OLD
NOR EVER WILL BE IN AGES TO COME.

Daniel 9:12: Under the whole heaven NOTHING HAS EVER BEEN DONE LIKE WHAT HAS BEEN DONE TO JERUSALEM.

Also, as I think Hanegraaff made a great point, that the Great Flood left only 8 survivors on the whole Earth. It’s hard to believe the future “Great Tribulation” could be worse than that.

That’s what, I believe, is apocalyptic hyperbole that Christ used, using Old Testatment language (language which He often did reference).


13 posted on 10/29/2007 8:33:01 AM PDT by tabsternager
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