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To: topcat54
True. And it would make Jesus a bit of a hypocrite with a touch of masochist to suggest to the first century readers that all these things will take place "shortly" when He really knew they were postponed for thousands of years in the future and had nothing to do with them at all, but rather involved center stage this odd bunch known in some circles as the one hundred and forty-four thousand Jewish evangelists.

Jesus didn't make any mistakes...He knows what He is talking about...It's not His fault that you don't...

Jesus wrote His words that you might believe...

You don't get the verse as well as many, many others since you don't believe Jesus...

If folks take the scriptures literally where they can be taken literaly (whether they make sense to their 21st century mind, or not), people will have no choice but to be Pre-Millenial...

When Jesus was speaking to those Jews, there was no Gentile church...There was no plan for a Gentile church...

The Jews were looking for a Jewish Messiah and He showed up...The plan was to fulfill Daniel's 70th week, go on thru the Tribulation and Jesus Christ would sit on the Throne of David, right there in Jerusalem for a Millenium, a thousand years, as the Jewish Messiah...

The verse you are looking at has a 'dual' application, as do hundreds of verses in the scipture...Had the Jews accepted Jesus, that generation would have been the one to see Jesus in His Glory...

They did not accept Jesus (and He knew they wouldn't) so the verse can and does apply to a future generation beyond the then unknown Church Age, the Dispensation of the Church...

The more you 'make the word of God of none effect', the more you will miss and mis-understand...Or as one fella puts it, the more you mess with that BOOK, the more God will mess with yur mind...

The Kingdom of Heaven, the one you think you are now in, has been postponed...You are not reigning (ruling) with Jesus Christ because He is not reigning, right now...

Joh 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

When Jesus left us, He sent the Holy Spirit to help us and guide us on thru the 'Spiritual' Church age...Nothing physical...It's ALL Spiritual...The Kingdom offered NOW is the Kingdom of God, the Spiritual Kingdom...

Luk 17:21 neither shall they say, Lo, here! or, There! for lo, the kingdom of God is within you.

If Jesus reigns NOW, it is within you...He is NOT ruling the nations with an iron hand...

And this is why Jesus did NOT show up in 70 AD...His physical Kingdom had not been established and His Spiritual Kingdom was already at work, in the believer...

1,005 posted on 11/14/2007 10:18:13 AM PST by Iscool
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To: Iscool
You don't get the verse as well as many, many others since you don't believe Jesus...

That was a rather long-winded way to say that you don’t know what Jesus meant when He spoke of "the things which must shortly come to pass".

If folks take the scriptures literally where they can be taken literaly

Like with the word "shortly"? Simple word, simple meaning. Hard to not take "literally".

The verse you are looking at has a 'dual' application,

That theory requires more proof than your mere assertion.

If Jesus reigns NOW, it is within you...He is NOT ruling the nations with an iron hand...

Sounds like a form of dualistic gnosticism.

Literally speaking, Jesus does not have an "iron hand", so the metaphor must be interpreted in the light of the rest of the rest of Bible. In Matthew 28, Jesus said quite plainly "all authority has been given to me in heaven and on earth". It is certainly reasonable to interpret the "iron hand" metaphor in light of the plain didactic teaching in Matthew 28. Unless your theology forces you to a different conclusion.

1,008 posted on 11/14/2007 10:31:50 AM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism is a disease ... as contagious as polio.")
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