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Answering the "Replacement Theology" Critics (Part 1)
American Vision ^ | 10/7/2005 | Gary DeMar

Posted on 10/26/2007 9:00:59 PM PDT by topcat54

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To: topcat54

ANOTHER

BRAZEN

FALSEHOOD.

It’s the simple and clear Scriptures from the

UNrubberized Bible.


681 posted on 11/11/2007 12:21:25 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix; 1000 silverlings; Alamo-Girl; topcat54; tabsternager; Lord_Calvinus; Lee N. Field; ...
QUIX: AT what point ASSUMING my construction on Biblical prophecies . . . at what point in prophetic fulfillment do you decide yours need adjusted?

[I'd also be interested in any of the other . . . Preterists responding, if they are brave enough]

1. The world ruler overtly declaring himself?

2. The Mark of The Beast required for every financial transaction?

3. The 3rd Temple rebuilt?

4. The world ruler consolidating his power overtly—in formal charge of all countries?

5. The North American Union?

6. The Gospel being published to every language group?

7. The rise of the False Prophet with dramatic miracles accompanying?

8. The TWO WITNESSES calling fire down from Heaven routinely?

9. The TWO WITNESSES bodies lying in Jerusalem for 3 days in view of the world?

10. The image being brought to 'life' speaking etc. ?

11. The Resurrected Anti-Christ after his mortal wound?

12. WHAT?


Well, I don't believe most of those things must happen. And if they do, they can be altered or reversed. Such is the power of God and the strength of the Holy Spirit in men's lives.

It's important to keep in mind that the earthly powers of this world can use Scripture for their own nefarious ends. So if I were to see an "image in the sky" I would first think perhaps someone is using a very sophisticated form of hologram to confuse the public and lead them into following some foolish pursuit.

And as for the third temple being rebuilt, the third temple is Jesus Christ.

"That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." -- Philippians 2:10-11


682 posted on 11/11/2007 12:21:29 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: topcat54

YET ANOTHER

BRAZEN

FALSEHOOD.

Have NEVER read of any Dispy believing in such a thing.

More outlandishness from . . . .

of course . . .

Rubber Bibles,
Rubber History books,
Rubber Dictionaries,

and convoluted spaghetti intellectualizations concocted . . . well . . . it stretches the imagination.


683 posted on 11/11/2007 12:24:03 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; topcat54
And as for the third temple being rebuilt, the third temple is Jesus Christ.

Tell me please, after all the scripture that points this out to them, they won't believe it?

684 posted on 11/11/2007 12:26:53 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: wmfights
Trust the LORD. Our Saviour will not lose one he intends to have.

Amen. The question then becomes whether that number will increase or lessen as time goes by.

If we take the long view of history (which is the truer perspective because it simply contains more history than the short view and thus reveals a sense of direction) we can see a tangible, positive trend from 100 Christians 2,000 years ago to one billion Christians today.

How is that a downward trend?

685 posted on 11/11/2007 12:30:04 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Sounds like brazen DISBELIEF

IN SCRIPTURE, to me.

And still no answer to my question.

I’m disappointed.


686 posted on 11/11/2007 12:30:16 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: 1000 silverlings

BECAUSE

There’s NOT

a

SINGLE

Scripture that says that.

And, The Scriptures about God being THE TEMPLE etc. no need for sun etc. . . .

are evidently for AFTER

THE MILLENIUM.


687 posted on 11/11/2007 12:32:47 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix; Dr. Eckleburg; topcat54

unbelievable


688 posted on 11/11/2007 12:33:44 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: topcat54
In fact, in the futurst scheme Messiah the King is offering sacrifices, not resting, per the literalist reading of last chapters of Ezekiel.

Which is certainly incorrect, given that Christ was the one-time, fully accomplished sacrifice for all the sins of His sheep, according to Hebrews 10.

"Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin." -- Hebrews 10:18

689 posted on 11/11/2007 12:35:04 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Quix

you won’t understand the temple, or the covenant, God forbid I quote you the scripture explaining the 2 witnesses, etc. Face it Quix, some Christians are on a train, some are on planes, and some on ships at the bottom of the sea


690 posted on 11/11/2007 12:35:40 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: Alamo-Girl; xzins; P-Marlowe; Dr. Eckleburg; Uncle Chip; 1000 silverlings; blue-duncan
Uncle Chip; 1000 silverlings; fortheDeclaration; Dr. Eckleburg; wmfights; Lee N. Field; tabsternager; Lord_Calvinus But whatever the reason, the insight of the Sabbath being the thousand year reign of Christ on earth has been pretty much lost.

Curious "musing". There is little to suggest from the writings of Church history that such was ever the view. In fact, the quote from Barnabas you gave seems to teach something quite different, for Barnabas concludes:

I will make the beginning of the eighth day which is the beginning of another world. Wherefore also we keep the eighth day for rejoicing, in the which also Jesus rose from the dead, and having been manifested ascended into the heavens.
It was the eighth day, i.e., the Lord’s Day, that was significant to the early Church. There is no mention here a literal "thousand years" on the earth as a Sabbath. So there was really nothing for them to loose. The true rest for God’s people is in the new heavens and new earth wherein righteousness dwells.

Hebrews 4 explains the rest of God for His people, and it has nothing to do with the so-called future "thousand years".

691 posted on 11/11/2007 12:37:04 PM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism is a disease ... as contagious as polio.")
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To: 1000 silverlings; All; Alamo-Girl

Given that the absurdities of the perspective have again surfaced in force . . . I think I’ll return to working on the longish response to the brazen falsehood about 200 mentions of the ABOMDES.

Amazing.

BTW, I believe firmly in THE COVENANT etc.

I just don’t mangle such things as the Replacementarian perspective does.

I will note that

1. I have observed . . . as in

O B S E R V E D

the Replacementarian, Preterist perspective discourage folks from believing in The Gospel when they chose believing it over the simple clear Prophetic truths of The Bible. And, they never progressed to a saving knowledge of Christ. It was just a convenient out for them at a moment of choice.

2. I have

O B S E R V E D

QUITE A NUMBER of folks enter into a Saving Knowledge of and Relationship with Jesus The Christ because a review of

fulfilled prophecis and loming fulfillents f prophecy convinced them of the validity of Scripture

AND OF THEIR NEED TO GET RIGHT WITH GOD SOONER THAN LATER.


692 posted on 11/11/2007 12:45:35 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix; 1000 silverlings; topcat54; tabsternager; Alamo-Girl; wmfights; Forest Keeper; HarleyD; ...
And still no answer to my question.

Then I must not have understood your question because I thought I answered it.

You asked if certain things were true, what would it take for me to believe them?

And I answered and said since I didn't believe most of those things were true, I will never believe them.

"I answered your darned question!" (FARGO). 8~)

"But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." -- Matthew 12:39-40


"The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting desired him that he would shew them a sign from heaven.

He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red.

And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?

A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed." -- Matthew 16:1-4

The "sign" has appeared in the flesh and risen bodily into heaven to confirm the fact that Jesus Christ, the Son of God reigns today in heaven and on earth.

"Salvation is of the Lord."

693 posted on 11/11/2007 1:26:33 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: P-Marlowe

I have a problem with him, myself. He’s too critical of everybody else.


694 posted on 11/11/2007 1:27:25 PM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Thanks for the compliments and the good story. Be blessed!


695 posted on 11/11/2007 1:39:01 PM PST by ovrtaxt (You're a destiny that God wrapped a body around.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Oh, I stole my tagline from Steve Schultz, the guy who runs the Elijah List. He’s got a really great message of grace and freedom from religiosity.


696 posted on 11/11/2007 1:40:24 PM PST by ovrtaxt (You're a destiny that God wrapped a body around.)
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To: Quix; topcat54; 1000 silverlings; tabsternager; wmfights
Preterist perspective discourage folks from believing in The Gospel

The "preterist" view, if you are speaking of the partial preterist view, which is Scriptural, says for ALL MEN everywhere to believe in Jesus Christ TODAY.

It's the dispensational pov that says God has another plan for the Jews besides saving faith in Jesus Christ which truly postpones the call of the Gospel until some future day.

I just don't get it.

697 posted on 11/11/2007 1:41:42 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: ovrtaxt

Plagerism is the highest form of flattery. 8~)


698 posted on 11/11/2007 1:42:28 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

I don’t think I’ve communicated.

Imagine, Dr. E. all those things occurring in the next 15 years in some Biblically predicted sequence.

At what point

would their occurring on CNN live

cause you to feel SOME need to adjust your theology?

Add one, the TWO WITNESSES being resurrected before the eyes of the whole world and bodily taken up into Heaven, as Scripture dictates, describes.


699 posted on 11/11/2007 1:52:07 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

It’s the dispensational pov that says God has another plan for the Jews besides saving faith in Jesus Christ

= = =

That’s SIMPLY

NOT

TRUE!

How many 100 times would you like me to say that?

I don’t know, personally, of any Dispy—certainly who’s theology I’d respect on such points—but really I don’t know anyone who believes that.

All will come to The Father by Christ and Christ Alone.

THEY WILL LOOK ON HIM WHOM THEY PIERCED . . . . and believe.


700 posted on 11/11/2007 2:01:36 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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